Paul Mirecki, you will recall, made a tiny ripple in the news cycle about a week ago, when some anti-Christian remarks he posted on the Internet were brought to light. There was a flurry of disapproval, and a class he had planned to teach got canceled, but he kept his position as chair of the Religious Studies department at Kansas University. And so the curtain fell on this tawdry little vignette of a college-town bigot.
But Mirecki apparently didn’t like the ending, and he’s writing another chapter. Before sunrise Monday morning, he reported to a hospital emergency room spinning a bizarre tale of being beaten by two anonymous fundamentalist Christians on a lonely stretch of country road.
How bizarre, you ask? Keep reading.
Mirecki lives at point A, near Naismith Valley Park, on the south side of Lawrence. He works at point B, the University of Kansas Department of Religious Studies.
But at 6:40 a.m. on Dec. 5, he turned up at point C, Lawrence Memorial Hospital, with some bruising about the head and shoulders. How he got those bruises is known to God and Mirecki alone. But God isn’t telling, and Mirecki isn’t telling the truth.
Mirecki claims that he was driving “south of Lawrence,” though he can’t say where. This would not be his route to work; it was in fact the opposite direction from his office. But he says he was “going out for breakfast, taking a drive, and thinking about things.” He never made it to breakfast, because he was so busy thinking of some unbelievable things. Truly unbelievable.
He says a pickup truck — of no particular make or color that he can recall — started tailgating him on this unnamed rural road south of town. He pulled over and stopped to let the truck pass; but instead of passing, the truck pulled up behind his car. The occupants got out of the truck — he described them as two white males between the ages of 30 and 40.
Mirecki then got out of his car in order to… well, he doesn’t say why he got out of his car. But he did, and the men started beating him. They punched him and struck him with “a metal object.”
Why would these hooligans beat an innocent college professor? Why, as revenge for his famously controversial opinions, of course! Mirecki says that as they were pummeling him, his attackers “made references to the controversy that has propelled him into the headlines in recent weeks.”
What did they say, exactly? I guess it was something like, “This mild assault is payback for your famously controversial opinions against us fundamentalist Christians, Mirecki. Don’t let us catch you south of Lawrence again.” Or maybe not. But I am forced to guess, because Mirecki won’t tell what the men said to him.
In order to accept this story, you would have to believe that these two rednecks were acquainted with the world famous Paul Mirecki, and recognized him in the dark (the sunrise in Kansas that morning was 7:25), from behind, on a rural highway. (Either that, or they were staking out this unknown stretch of road, somehow knowing that Mirecki would aimlessly drive by, thinking of things.) And that Mirecki drove himself to the hospital afterwards, without remembering where the crime took place.
The Douglas County Sheriff’s office is asking for the public’s help in finding the suspects. So if you know two white fundamentalist Christian men between 30 and 40 with no features whatsover — no hair or eye color, no facial hair, no height or weight — who drive a colorless unbranded truck and have access to a metal object, please call Crime Stoppers at (785) 843-TIPS.
If you can’t get to the bottom of this, darlin, I know who can.
You’re right. I’ll bet it was that scalawag Bugs Meany! But how can I prove it? Hmmm.
It’s too bad that most people don’t understand the word ‘mythology’. (dictionary: “the body of stories associated with a culture or institution or person”). I haven’t read anything online regarding his bigotry. I can’t find his emails which were distributed online. I know they exist, because he personally mentions them in his course withdrawal. He even considers them offensive. I think moron trumps bigot, regarding him. He may have proven himself a diehard bigot with those emails (whomever they were originally for), but definitively proven himself a moron for assuming that his inflamatory (so I’ve heard) written thoughts wouldn’t be distributed on the interweb forthrightly. He’s a public figure at a public institution. Wonder if the course was some kind of farce, or game, he played to get attention/reaction due to KS recent BOE resolutions. Either that, or a moron. Neither are favorable for him.
Regarding the attack: It is possible and plausable that the attackers were so fired-up-red about Mirecki’s _____ , that they were very happy to open a can of whup on him passing by on a rural road. Maybe they were waiting or planning it; it was an opportunity popping into their laps. They would be morons, too. Anyone who decides to beat another for any reason than protection is an idiot.
It does look like he’s spinning something. Every article about this attack has him jumping to all kinds of conclusions. Human nature, I suppose. John Altevogt proposed a viable explanation, which reflects humans’ innate reflex to “cover the bum-bum” when things go afoul.
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“Maybe they were waiting …” == “Maybe they weren’t waiting “
He was attacked by the Michelin Man driving Wonder Woman’s truck?
I think it’s most likely that he was beat up for some completely different reason, which would have been embarrassing, or even incriminating, for him to admit. A drug deal, perhaps.
But that’s just speculation.
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It’s apalling that this Mirecki guy hasn’t revealed more details about the supposed attack to all of us. It’s almost as if he thinks he has some sort of right to file a police report in privacy without involving the press, bloggers, and every armchair expert in the nation. Furthermore it’s appaling that he would make a false claim. If only this country had some sort of laws to punish people who do such things. Leading our police on wild goose chases for red pick-ups, honestly! You’d think such things would be illegal! Even if it were, I don’t suppose the police would know anything about how to investigate such things to determine their validity. If only our justice system worked, then scoundrels like Mirecki couldn’t take advantage of it so easily!
Jesse, your zeal to punish Mirecki is understandable, but I advocate clemency. Public ridicule should be punishment enough.
Good idea Sean. If the justice system won’t do it for us, we should punish him ourselves. After all, we’ve seen all the evidence we need to see already. We know he’s guilty, so why shouldn’t we be allowed to smear him? We’re a jury of his peers right? That means we should get to try, sentence, and execute him ourselves. My question is this, should we point and laugh when we see him in public, or just vandalize his car?
Jesse, except for your incitement to vandalism, which I cannot condone, your proposals are not without a certain rustic charm. But I’m afraid I wouldn’t recognize Mirecki or his car if he pulled into my driveway in broad daylight. I move that we commute his sentence to written ridicule only, for a period not to exceed three days.
second ku class flap, V: mirecki silent, students “censure attackers”
The case of University of Kansas religious studies professor Paul Mirecki just keeps getting weirder. He declined to answer any questions to the Lawrence media, including those that might clear up discrepancies in his story:
Key facts about the repor…
Let’s hope the perpetrator of any violence is prosecuted.
From the start, I’ve thought all aspects of this tale cohere with the hypothesis that Mirecki bruised himself.
Good thinking and writing, Sean.
Mirecki just stepped down a chair.
Well, no, I didn’t post anything here (until now), let alone comment #16, but thanks for the plug just the same.
My bad. I assumed that the commenter was you, since you were the author of the rebuttal that was posted. Someone was plagiarizing you.
*sigh* it wouldn’t be the first time.
Good thing he’s not gay. He’s not gay, is he?
Sean,
Great site.
I love the news from the internet. MSM is disgusting. I have a blog that I started so as to learn about web site creation. Your Autorantic Moonbat is working great. I use a WYSIWUG editor called Site Spinner.
The creativeness and brainpower accesible on the blogs is amazing.
Best Regards, Todd Roth
Another Left Wing Whacko Pulls Hoax On MSM
The Subjective Scribe seems to agree the Mirecki’s story is fishy but doesn’t miss the opportunity to bash Michelle for being dubious. I guess he went to the CBS school of it’s fake but true?
David: No, he’s not gay that I know of.
Todd: Thanks, but a word to the wise: you should avoid putting such generic pleasantries in blog comments without contributing to the topic being discussed. A comment such as yours could be mistaken for link spam and deleted.
A fascinating, if sad tale. So fascinating that one would think that it might be picked up by the press which was so eager to print his allegations. A probable hoax is even more newsworthy than a probable beating-by-Fundamentalist-Christian.
I’m waiting….tap,tap…waiting….to see those unbiased, tolerant of everyone journalists do their jobs…
If some professors teach courses on subjects about which they are cynical, fine…it’s just that 99% of them are all cynical in the same direction. Such wonderful diversity of thought on our campuses.
[…] Following this series of events is a bizarre story of Mirecki being allegedly beaten by two fundamentalist Christians. The ID community vehemently condemned the behavior, but it has come to light that Mirecki’s story isn’t holding water. In fact it is getting more and more suspicious and people aren’t buying it. […]
I don’t think that there is any proof of any design, intelligent or otherwise, behind the alleged assault on Mirecki. Given enough time, natural forces are sufficient of themselves to account for such an incident.
You have to admit, this whole thing stinks pretty bad.
Police time and resources are being used on this situation, which they originally labeled a hate crime but have now retracted that label.
Like it or not, the professor is not being forthcoming about critical details, and the whole situation comes on the heels of a very public course cancellation, so I hate to say it but he needs to get his story a whole lot more straight because it is now unavoidably in the public eye. A whole class of people (”fundies”) are being tarred and feathered as having violent tendencies, probably unfarily until the truth here is cleared up.
Unfortunately, it is quite fair to be publicly suspicious of this incident, even though he can’t yet be tried and convicted of fraud until the incident is further investigated and more details emerge.
Well, Mirecki forgot the gun-rack and the Confederate flag so it can’t really be a fundie, red-neck bigot truck, right, Jesse?
This sounds for all the world like some lefty fantasy about runamok red-neck fundies because (correct me if I’m wrong, Jesse) they are all violent, gun-toting, pickup driving, scary yahoos just waiting for the chance to beat the hell out of anyone who thinks differently and this incident just proves it.
Self-righteous know-it-alls like Mirecki who value their own intelligence above all others live to “be right” and what better (and desperate) way to prove the moral superiority of his position than to showcase his “opponents” as ignorant, violent bigots (in a way that reveals more about the shallow stereotypes he carries around in his head than anything else).
I see nothing here at all that proves that the attack on Mirecki did not take place.
Rather, it seems that you don’t want to believe that it didn’t take place.
The comments made by people defending the attack on Mirecki all over the Internet have included hundreds of statements by right wing Christians that Mirecki deserved it.
That, whether the attack happened at all, is something that Christians ought to be ashamed of. This entire affair makes Kansas look bad.
I believe it was the giant flying spaghetti monster attacking south of Lawrence that early morning(www.venganza.org). Was there pasta sauce or meatballs in the police report? Why won’t Mirecki comment on this? I guess a truck full of rednecks sounded more believable.
If he’s lying ( he might not be, which is sad)- maybe someone can come up w/ a good spoof- this would be pretty embarrassing for his supporters.
Juniper: I don’t want to believe that the attack on Mirecki didn’t take place? I don’t quite follow you. And nobody here said he “deserved it,” except for you.
The comment above that reads,
“If the justice system won’t do it for us, we should punish him ourselves. After all, we’ve seen all the evidence we need to see already. We know he’s guilty, so why shouldn’t we be allowed to smear him? We’re a jury of his peers right? That means we should get to try, sentence, and execute him ourselves. My question is this, should we point and laugh when we see him in public, or just vandalize his car?”
shows the plausibility of Mirecki’s claim, guys.
Haven’t you seen the “Liberal Hunting License” bumper stickers Republicans have been putting on their cars? Right here, as you ridicule his claims, you threaten him with “punishment”.
No, I haven’t seen those bumper stickers. And the gent who wrote the comment you cited (A) wasn’t me, (B) lives in Arkansas, (C) is an atheist, and (D) talks to the television while watching soap operas.
Here are some comments from over at the Republican Free Republic web site:
“I don’t know that I wish him well. If he is spewing and spreading anti-religious hatred, I say he deserved it. Yes we have free speach. But all that means is you won’t get arrested. That doesn’t entitle you to not pay a price for your actions.”
“HA…bruises and sores are probably caused by pestilence and crack/aids. Look at that filth”
“He probably picked them up in a bar.”
“Too bad they didn’t break his knees.”
“Whatever Mirecki got wasn’t bad enough.”
“I hope they catch those two incompetent rednecks for not even doing a simple assault properly!”
“I am about as concerned about this fellow’s little scrape as I am about that queer that got beaten up and tied to a fence on a chilly Wyoming night.”
“He wouldn’t have those bruises if he had the sense to refrain from establishing a university class dedicated to the ridicule of other people’s beliefs.”
“A professor sets up a class designed to ridicule the beliefs of others, and somehow certain folks are ‘appalled’ that unpleasant consequences ensue. I don’t buy their sanctimonious, drama queen indignation.”
“It’s not smart to play with blasphemy.”
“Doesn’t anyone see the irony in this smart@$$ getting a ‘nice slap in [his] big fat face’?”
I’m not making this up. Republicans all over the web are recognizing the fact that Paul Mirecki was attacked, and saying that he deserved it.
Well, those sentiments had not been expressed here. Until now. Thanks.
Ummmm. Do you have to be a Republican to post on the Free Republic web site? Just curious.
What, are you implying Juniper is a liar?
All of the comments Juniper is quoting are either made up by him or posted by those that support Mirecki. How can I be so sure? Because those comments would be made by people who actually thought the attack occured. The ID crowd, Christians and other all know the attack is a fake; just a poorly executed hoax
Now that I’ve read your description, I must confess that the two culprits sound a lot like me and my cousin Tony the Fish. The whole thing… hair and eyes and everything aim right at me and Tony. Everything but the car ’cause we was driving around in the Rav4, but the Prof had just been beaten with a metal rod so I’m bettin’ he got that part wrong.
If it was me, I gotta apologize. When you blend me, Tony, chianti and some egghead intellectual, nothing good’s gonna happen. Ciao
I have a big pickup truck and even though I live in Arkansas, I am willing to take responsiblity for what probably did not happen even if I had been there which I wasn’t:-)
Mr. Mirecki is a fine representative specimen of a Harvard conferred doctorate. John Harvard would have seen this man burned at the stake for heresy, God fearing man that he was.
I bet there will be a forthcoming indictment for making false statements to the police, in short order, as this feeble and contentious fabrication unravels.
Juniper the only question I have for you is the same I have asked other defenders of the professor.
Do you have any reservations about the professors story at all?
or do you accept it completely with no doubt in your mind he is telling the truth?
What people aren’t talking about is that this crime must have been carefully planned out in advance. From 6:20 to 6:40 a.m. a couple of days ago it was still dark as night here in Douglas County. The people who did this must have had some way to know that the car was Prof. Mirecki’s car, and they must have known his route that he takes from his home to breakfast or whereever he was going. This means that they would have had to observe him getting in his car in daylight, so they could know what his car looked like and what his license tag was.
This requires significant planning and premeditation.
And significant expense! The perpetrators must have somehow acquired one of those amnesia ray lasers, like in Men In Black, to guarantee that Mirecki would remember no details of the incident whatsoever. Those gizmos can’t be cheap.
another thing… Prof Mirecki is the campus sponsor for SOMA, which is the campus organization for “agnostics and open-minded atheists”. So what’s this guy doing being a professor of religion? For that matter, what’s the State of Kansas doing paying for a School of Religion? I’d just as soon leave it to the Jesuits to handle affairs like this, and leave the State of Kansas out of it - in other words, the Legislature should zero-fund the School of Religion and use the money saved for capital improvements and the like.
Sean–Great detective work and a pitch perfect sense of humor. You have a future!
questions, questions….
Lawrence Muni Airport
Lawrence, KS (Douglas County)
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For Mon, Dec 05 2005 CST 6CDT (GMT-6)
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Length of day: 09:34
Astro Twilight Start: 05:49
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According to the U.S. Naval Observatory, civil twilight is defined to begin in the morning, and to end in the evening when the center of the Sun is geometrically 6 degrees below the horizon. This is the limit at which twilight illumination is sufficient, under good weather conditions, for terrestrial objects to be clearly distinguished; at the beginning of morning civil twilight … the horizon is clearly defined and the brightest stars are visible under good atmospheric conditions in the absence of moonlight or other illumination. In the morning before the beginning of civil twilight … artificial illumination is normally required to carry on ordinary outdoor activities. Complete darkness, however, ends sometime prior to the beginning of morning civil twilight and begins sometime after the end of evening civil twilight.
Nautical twilight is defined to begin in the morning, and to end in the evening, when the center of the sun is geometrically 12 degrees below the horizon. At the beginning or end of nautical twilight, under good atmospheric conditions and in the absence of other illumination, general outlines of ground objects may be distinguishable, but detailed outdoor operations are not possible, and the horizon is indistinct.
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1. Given that the attack took place at between 6:20 am and 6:40 am on December 5, 2005, it would have been dark enough so that potential attackers would have had to know Prof Mirecki’s route in advance, since only the general outline of his car would have been visible given that there are no streetlights or other illumination on either road (1400 E or 1500 E) in the locations south of Lawrence where the attack was alleged to have taken place.
2. The place which the attack took place was not on Prof Mirecki’s route to his office, and he did state that he was driving around somewhat randomly “thinking about things”. This would make it impossible for potential attackers to prepare an ambush along a regular travel route.
3. There’s nothing in evidence to show that the attackers followed Prof Mirecki from his home to the place of the attack. If this had in fact happened, why did he head out to a deserted country road instead of into a well-populated well-lit area where if an attack occurred, there would be good illumination and the possibility of witnesses?
4. If the attack took place as described, how did the attackers know that it was Prof Mirecki’s car and that Prof Mirecki was inside? They would have had to have observed the car in daylight, they would have had to see the license plate in daylight, and they would have had to have known what Prof Mirecki looks like.
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Mirecki “Beating” A Hoax?
Michelle Malkin has done great digging and found more holes in Prof. Paul Mirecki’s (see this and this) beating story than in Howard Dean’s brain.
For instance, Mirecki’s description of injuries do not match the hospitals. The po…
Heh, the “Kansas, as bigoted as it gets” bumper sticker I saw the other day makes sense now.
Hudson… if he was followed from home he probably wouldn’t have noticed at all. You know, the typical Academic or Mensa who has no street sense… or should I say, that we ALL know.
And my daughter, the KU Junior, didn’t know who Tawana Brawley was… what are they teaching them over there? Lol
Bill
Any charges yet? Does anyone know if the local law enforcement community is investigating Mirecki’s charge.
There used to be a prohibition about making false statements to a law enforcement person though I am sure the law will vary from place to place.
Can’t put this malfeasance off on KU as academia is replete with persons of similar ilk, you just don’t hear about them until the MSM picks up on something titillating.
That’s Ok though, I prefer to know about folks as Mirecki than to not know about them. Besides, I am not the final arbiter of what is right or otherwise. I do resent the hatefulness that seems to permeate the sordid character of this story.
A report released by the Douglas County Sheriff’s Office said the location was “unknown” and listed it as south of 31st Street on either East 1400 Road or East 1500 Road.
Which is “Somewhere South of Lawrence” and not point C.
Good work.
I’m not a forensics expert and don’t know any more details about the situation than you, but I find your points unconvincing. Basically, you’re saying there are holes in Mirecki’s story because:
* he didn’t know where he was
* he didn’t know who attacked him
* he got out of the car
* the attackers knew who he was
None of these sound implausible to me. I sometimes used to drive around aimlessly to think about things. I’d have no idea where I was. It’s possible that if someone was tailgating me and I pulled over and they did too, I would get out of the car. I doubt I would have noted the details of the car following me. If they then attacked me, it’s quite possible that I would be too busy dealing with the situation to take note of anything about them. Afterwards, I would probably be too frazzled to have the presence of mind to realize that it might be good to figure out where I was, and would quite possibily go to the hospital immediately.
There are some sorts of people who naturally remember details, and then there are those of us who don’t notice or remember anything unless we specifically make an effort to take note of things. If you are driving around aimlessly there’s no need to take note of things, and if you are being or have just been beaten up, taking note of things may not be a priority.
The remaining point is that the attackers knew who this guy was. That does sound unlikely, but then so does the idea that he beat himself up or got beat up in some other way and then made this up. To me, it seems less unlikely that the attackers somehow recognized him. Perhaps a lot of people were angry at him about those emails and students pointed out his car to people on campus. Perhaps there was a picture of him in some news article. People get stalked all the time, after all.
Of course, it’s frustrating for someone to say a crime was committed without being able to provide enough details to have a chance of catching the perps. But there is nothing in the laws of physics to prevent such “unsolvable crimes” (or forgetful witnesses). I’m not an expert, but I would expect that this sort of situation may even be frequent.
Bb: I think the Douglas County sheriff’s office is taking this incident quite seriously, and Mirecki is unhappy with the direction their investigation is taking.
Honestly, seizing his computer doesn’t make any sense to me either, unless they disbelieve his story and want to find clues to what really happened.
Bayle: You correctly pinpointed Mirecki’s inability to say where he was as the top reason to suspect his story. I have nothing against aimless recreational driving; the car is a fine place to collect your thoughts. But even granting that he didn’t care what road he was on, it is all but unbelievable that he didn’t know what road he was on. He has been living and driving in Lawrence for at least 15 years.
But even if we allow for the slim chance that he didn’t know where he was before his attack, this chance completely vanished after the attack, when Mirecki drove to the hospital. His trip to the hospital was, one presumes, not recreational or aimless. All anyone had to ask him was “what road did you take to the hospital?” It is inconceivable that having successfully navigated from the crime scene to the hospital, that he couldn’t know what road he took.
I’d give him a pass on not remembering any features of his attackers or their car, because it would have been dark. But not remembering what they said to him? What’s the excuse there? The whole reason this scuffle is national news hinges on what these men said to him, and Mirecki can’t remember a word of it.
There should be an update on this story from the Police Dept.
Is Paul Mirecki cooperating with them in any way in their investigation?
This is really amazing because it seems like Professor Mirecki who is the faculty advisor for KU’s “Society of Open-Minded Atheists and Agnostics” is just “open minded” enough that if filling a false police report, he has no concern for the time and valuable resources of the police and even more amazing is how far is Merici willing to go with this hoax?
Is he open minded enough to let the police arrest a couple of innocent south side bro’s and let them go to jail and possibly to a long prison term just to succeed in his deranged fantasy hoax.
I wouldn’t expect the sheriff to make any significant public comment until an arrest is made. (Prediction: when an arrest is made, it will be Paul Mirecki. Anyone want to lay odds?) Mirecki is no longer cooperating with the investigation. He has retained a lawyer, and is talking about suing the sheriff!
I grew up in rural Kansas in a county with 2000 people. I would never get out of a vehicle, when it was pitch black in the morning, unless I A) recognized the vehicle or B) knew someone in the vehicle. You think he might want to roll down the window and see who it might be? As it was early in the morning and on a road that is not normal for him to travel, the “alleged” assailants would have had to get up early in the morning to stake out his residence and then follow him to the country. And then be so lucky for him to “leave” his vehicle. I must admit, when I first heard about this, I thought we should send these thugs to jail for a long time, and hope they would meet someone who would take an interest in them in jail. After reading the story, all kinds of bells and whistles went off. I do not buy his story. None of it makes sense. I predict one of two things are going to happen. Either he admits to fabricating the story or he sticks with the story and the police never find the “alleged assailants.
There probably won’t be any thugs or villains when the story is corroborated. I’m starting to think that the non-descript perpetrators will be recharacterized as collaborators.
And that there may be collaborators would be a provocative motivation for having a look at the computer. Probably going to be some cell phone records supoenaed as well.
It is doubtful that Mr. Mirecki was wandering around or lost. I am waiting to hear of an articulated rendezvous not so different than portrayed in one of the old Dirty Harry movies.
As for the black eyes? It does not take much to cause such an injury–walking into a door in the dark would do that. Hitting a steering wheel with your face in an auto mishap has been known to cause that too. No scuff marks or scratches though–very tidy presentation.
Hiring counsel is probably the first reasonable thing that Mirecki has done in this pitiful debauchery of “protected” public service.
We made need to rethink the tenure rules after this case and the other charming intellectual courtisan of Colorado, spokesperson or UC, Ward Churchill.
Al Franken? Is it just me or does the picture of Evil P remind you of a not funny person, Al Franken? Probably just the eye glasses.
On the other hand, Al Franken is also a Harvard alumnus though a few years before the arbiter of hate matriculated.
Neither of them are funny.
Wonder why Evil P did not retain Alan Dershowitz as counsel. Dershowitz represents the very finest that Harvard has to offer, exceeding even the Kennedys. Well, maybe not.
I am sure Mr. Mirecki can find an evolutionary explanation for all of this. How can he blame the attackers, if he even was attacked, if all they did was try to propogate their selfish genes in a survival strategy? It’s totally natural and can only benefit mankind!
Hi All,
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I don’t think he should have (if he in deed were) been beaten for his comments and any true Christian wouldn’t wish it upon him either.
I’d like to make a point that if he were a Christian making those types of comments about ANY other religion; he would have been fired on the spot, picketed by thousands and KU would most likely have been sued by every non-Christian group on the face of this planet.
I believe in freedom of speech butI also believe that it should come with some standard of personal responsibility. If one makes inflamatory remarks, they should be prepared to deal with the fact that consequences may arise. However, I do not believe those consequences should involve a redneck can of whoop-ass.
As far as a suit against KU…..The way I see it, he quit. How are they liable for that? He shouldn’t have signed the paper but made them fire him if he really wanted to seek reparations. If he felt an injustice was taking place, he should have exercised his right to freedom of speech to confront it. He obviously has no problems expressing his opinions.
You’re right, of course. His bigoted comments about Chiristians should not be tolerated any more than bigotry towards any other group of citizens. Sure, he has his Freedom of Speech, which allows him to say just about anything without being jailed. But that doesn’t mean we owe him a nice job, too.
What a disgusting article. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Paul Mirecki have said some not-very-nice things, but to accuse him of this with such flimsy evidence is terrible.
Accuse him of what? All I did was report his own story. If it sounds like a damning accusation to you, that’s hardly my fault.
Hitler worshiper, M. Malkin wrote:
While a faculty colleague claimed that “big swollen spots” had “transformed” Mirecki’s face, Jesse Plous and Tiffany Jeffers, two of Mirecki’s students, told the campus newspaper they didn’t notice bruises or scratches when they met for his class six hours after the alleged attack.
Mirecki’s picture after the beating
http://www2.ljworld.com/photos/2005/dec/10/70615/
So, what are you saying, Bob? That Michelle Malkin beat up Paul Mirecki to impress Hitler?
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This just in: At this hour, Adlolf Hitler is reportedly still dead, but his philosophy lives on through M. Malkin.
After Malkin’s column about Mirecki hit the web, it was posted on local forums by known bigots and hate mongers right here in River City, Lawrence, Ks.
I live in Lawrence, and since I live here, I think Malkin should shut her pie-hole. She is merely stirring the flames of religious intolerance, which is bad enough already.
As you might know, Mirecki’s beating, is related to the “Intelligent Design” debate where Kansas is competing with Alabama and Mississippi for first place in the IDiot race.
In case Malkin thinks we don’t have goons who might have beaten Mirecki, this is what can be found a short distance north of Lawrence:
http://www2.ljworld.com/photos/galleries/2005/oct/02/flood_northeast_kansas/6553/
Hutchens said he was carrying firearms in case looters approached the property
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Malkin’s believes dinosaurs were household pets just like George Bush does, but Mirecki called that notion a myth, and that pissed Malkin off.
In case you missed it, the chairman of the Kansas State School Board believes the earth is only 5000 to 9000 years old, and now the majority on our state school board believes the same thing, so they want to teach their ID crap in our public schools under the guise of science.
The chairman of the Kansas State School Board, Steve Abrams, is a lardass Republican who claims the speed of light was “nearly infinitely” faster back in the days of dinosaurs, and so scientific dating methods don’t work. In case you don’t believe me:
http://www.kcfs.org/KsSciSt1999-2001/Fliers_articles/Standardsissue.html
Abrams himself still publicly admits he is a so-called young-Earth creationist — one who believes Earth is as little as 5,000 years old, based on a reading of the Bible.
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http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/science_vs_the_bible.htm
The Big Bang theory, based on decades of astronomical observations and physics research, suggests that the universe originated in a colossal explosion of matter and radiation some 15 billion years ago.
But “young Earth creationists,” as they are generally known, have come up with their own theories to explain how cosmic history could be condensed into mere thousands of years. . . . Abrams also cited a theory that the speed of light was almost infinitely fast in the past, meaning that the light from extremely distant galaxies could have reached Earth quickly and would not be billions of years old.
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Our IDiot goon squads don’t need any encouragement from Malkin. We don’t have a shortage of suspects who might have beaten Mirecki. I suppose Malkin will bei blaming the recent bombing of the Ohio Mosque on Muslims.
One of the most vocal critics of Mirecki’s ID mythology course was Sen. Kay O’Connor. She and her goons live about 25 minutes east of Lawrence.
http://www.kansascity.com/
A prominent female state senator has said that she does not support the 19th Amendment, which guarantees women the right to vote, and that if it were being considered today she would vote against it.
Sen. Kay O’Connor recently told the co-presidents of the Johnson County League of Women Voters that the amendment was the first step in a decades-long erosion of traditional family values.
The Olathe Republican was in the audience at a public affairs forum on juvenile justice at Johnson County Community College on Sept. 19, when league co-president Delores Furtado asked her if she was planning to attend the league’s “Celebrate the Right to Vote” luncheon.
“You probably wouldn’t want me there because of what I would have to say,” O’Connor told Furtado after the forum had ended.
“Wasn’t it in the best interest of our country to give women the right to vote?” Furtado asked the senator.
“Not necessarily so,” O’Connor said.
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http://6news.ljworld.com/section/legislatureold/story/68008
Although she does vote, O’Connor said in two subsequent interviews with The Kansas City Star that if men had been protecting the best interests of women, then women would not be forced to cast ballots and serve in the state legislature. Instead, they could stay home, raise families and tend to domestic duties, she said.
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O’Connor believes KU’s religious studies should be taught by a fundamentalist preacher rather than by Mirecki. Perhaps she and Malkin would like to see the Rev. Fred Phelps teaching that course.
Phelps lives in Topeka, 25 minutes west of Lawrence.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/featured/20050707_subway-bomb.html
“Thank God for the bombing of London’s subway today - July 7, 2005 - wherein dozens were killed and hundreds seriously injured. Wish it was many more.” -Rev. Fred Phelps
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Too bad Dennis Rader isn’t available to teach the religious mythologies course at KU. As president of his Lutheran Church, he would be the ideal candidate. After all, Rader is a right-wing Republican, formerly involved in law enforcement. Rader lived a couple hours southwest of Lawrence.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/18/btk.killings.wed/
WICHITA, Kansas (CNN) — BTK murderer Dennis Rader took the body of one of his victims to church, a sheriff investigator said Wednesday.
Lee said Rader told investigators he took the body to the church to “have his way with her” — to fulfill his sexual fantasies.
“He advised to me that she was going to the church alive or dead — either way,” Lee said.
Investigators said Rader told them he would use a squeeze ball as exercise to build up his hand strength in preparation for stranglings, that he typically masturbated after killings, and that he took underwear from female victims and wore them.
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http://www.freep.com/news/nw/btk2e_20050302.htm
“Dennis was in church as often as I was,” said Pastor Michael Clark.
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Too bad our very own religious leader, Martin Miller isn’t available for the KU religious studies job. After all, God spoke directly to Martin. It is such a shame that he had to murder his wife because his church didn’t believe in divorce. He lived ten minutes from me.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/jun/20/millerguilty/?martin_miller_trial
A former Christian school leader was convicted late this afternoon of first-degree murder.
Miller grew up in Lawrence . . . a former chairman of the board of Veritas Christian School, and a member of Victory Bible Church. Prosecutors allege he murdered his wife so he’d be free to pursue sexual relationships with other women.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/jul/21/
When the Rev. Darrell Brazell, an evangelical minister, first heard that police had found thousands of pornographic images on former Christian-school leader Martin K. Miller’s home computer, he wasn’t surprised.
Brazell knows. He admitted to being addicted to pornography for 15 years.
Christian men, Brazell said, are especially susceptible to becoming addicted to pornography and, consequently, masturbation.
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Another Kansas figure who has made us proud is Lisa Montgomery. She lived about an hour southwest of here.
http://www.karisable.com/stinnett.htm
Lisa Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kansas, confessed to strangling eight-months-pregnant Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 23, then cutting the premature infant from her womb at the Bobbie Jo’shome in Skidmore Missouri, on December 16, 2004.
On Friday morning, Lisa and Kevin showed off a newborn girl at the Whistle Stop Cafe. . . . After breakfast, they took the infant “Abigail” to visit their pastor, Reverend Mike Wheatly, of the First Church of God. Kevin was grinning proudly.
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And don’t forget the Sunday School teacher from Kansas City. KC is 35 minutes east of Lawrence.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/crime/serial-killers/john-edward-robinson/
John Edward Robinson Sr.
He’s known as the Cyber-Sex killer, but a better way to describe John Robinson is to call him a domineering, lying, fraudulent, murderous, charismatic, psychopathic, bipolar, dildo thief.
Robinson is now a confessed serial killer with a kink for torturing and raping women, then butchering them and hiding them in barrels. But that’s all been done before; the real crime here is his theft of $500 worth of sex toys from a Texas psychologist.
You’d never know he was into this sort of kinky [obscenity] to look at him. Robinson is not only a God-fearing Christian businessman with four children and a wife, he is also an Eagle Scout, a Sunday School teacher, and a former man-of-the-year in Kansas City, Missouri.
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So you see we have several religious nuts here in kansas, yet Mallkin hates us secularists. Her scribblings do nothing more than encourage thugs, goons and Freedom Fighters to do her dirty work. Teaching religious intolerance isn’t new to GOPers.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html
To hurt the Russians, the U.S. deliberately chose to give the most support to the most extreme groups. A disproportionate share of U.S. arms went to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, “a particularly fanatical fundamentalist and woman-hater.”‘ According to journalist Tim Weiner, ” [Hekmatyar’s] followers first gained attention by throwing acid in the faces of women who refused to wear the veil. CIA and State Department officials I have spoken with call him ’scary,’ ‘vicious,’ ‘a fascist,’ ‘definite dictatorship material.”
Aid to the mujahideen, who Reagan praised as “freedom fighters,” increased
As well as training and recruiting Afghan nationals to fight the Soviets, the CIA permitted its ISI allies to recruit Muslim extremists from around the world. Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid reports: Between 1982 and 1992, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 43 Islamic countries in the Middle East, North and East Africa, Central Asia and the Far East would pass their baptism under fire with the Afghan mujahideen. Tens of thousands more foreign Muslim radicals came to study in the hundreds of new madrassas [religious schools] that Zia’s military government began to fund in Pakistan and along the Afghan border. Eventually more than 100,000 Muslim radicals were to have direct contact with Pakistan and Afghanistan and be influenced by the jihad [against the USSR].
The camps became virtual universities for future Islamic radicalism.
One of the first non-Afghan volunteers to join the ranks of the mujahideen was Osama bin Laden, a civil engineer and businessman from a wealthy construction family in Saudi Arabia, with close ties to members of the Saudi royal family. Bin Laden recruited 4,000 volunteers from his own country and developed close relations with the most radical mujahideen leaders. He also worked closely with the CIA, raising money from private Saudi citizens. By 1984, he was running the Maktab al-Khidamar, an organization set up by the ISI to funnel “money, arms, and fighters from the outside world in the Afghan war.”
In 1994, a new group, the Taliban (Pashtun for “students”), emerged on the scene.
They were literally the orphans of war, the rootless and restless, the jobless and the economically deprived with little self-knowledge. They admired war because it was the only occupation they could possibly adapt to. Their simple belief in a messianic, puritan Islam which had been drummed into them by simple village mullahs was the only prop they could hold on to and which gave their lives some meaning.
The Taliban’s brand of extreme Islam had no historical roots in Afghanistan.
State Department spokesperson Glyn Davies said that he saw “nothing objectionable” in the Taliban’s plans to impose strict Islamic law, and Senator Hank Brown, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on the Near East and South Asia, welcomed the new regime: “The good part of what has happened is that one of the factions at last seems capable of developing a new government in Afghanistan.” “The Taliban will probably develop like the Saudis. There will be Aramco [the consortium of oil companies that controlled Saudi oil], pipelines, an emir, no parliament and lots of Sharia law. We can live with that,” said another U.S. diplomat in 1997.
The reference to oil and pipelines explains everything.
Afghanistan itself has no known oil or gas reserves, but it is an attractive route for pipelines leading to Pakistan, India, and the Arabian Sea.
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“Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people.” -Adolf Hitler
[April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933]
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.” -Adolf Hitler
[speech on April 12, 1922, published in My New Order]
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http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/article.php?story=20041208215313252
“The book The German Churches Under Hitler includes his assertion that secular schools should not be tolerated while Hitler’s Table Talk quotes him questioning the wisdom in teaching children both creationism and the theory of evolution. “The present system of teaching in schools permits the following absurdity: at 10 a.m. the pupils attend a lesson in the catechism, at which the creation of the world is presented to them in accordance with the teachings of the Bible; and at 11 a.m. they attend a lesson in natural science, at which they are taught the theory of evolution,”he said. “Yet the two doctrines are in complete contradiction. As a child, I suffered from this contradiction, and ran my head against a wall.” ”
In 1929 Mussolini signed the Lateran Treaty with Pope Pius XI. This established Catholicism as the official religion of the State, gave the Pope increased political powers, gave papal sovereignty to Vatican City, ensured that the Catholic religion would be taught in all schools, compensated the Pope with $90 million for the loss of papal property since 1870, and cemented broad Catholic support for Mussolini.
The Concordat , signed on July 20, 1933, was a classic POLITICAL KICKBACK SCHEME. The Catholic church supported the new dictatorship by endorsing the end of democracy and free speech. In addition it bound its bishops to Hitler’s Reich by means of a loyalty oath and in exchange for supporting Hitler the Catholic church received enormous 1.) tax income and 2.) protection for church privileges. 3.) Religious instruction and prayer in school were reinstated. 4.) Criticism of the church was forbidden.
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Good news for Malkin — Secularists have lost control of Iraq and Egypt. Remember back when Saddam’s right hand man, Aziz, was a Catholic?
http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=2989
Secularists flop in Egypt’s vote as Islamists soar
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http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=4386
Juan Cole summarizes: “In other words, the Shiite fundamentalist parties have won again. The secularists lost badly. Allawi and Chalabi are out of the game.”
Patrick Cockburn writes in The Independent: “Religious fundamentalists now have the upper hand. The secular and nationalist candidate backed by the US and Britain was humiliatingly defeated.” He sees this election as the final shipwreck” — there is no hope for “establishing a pro-Western secular democracy in a united Iraq.” The United States seems to be making Iraq safe for a government ruled by Ayatollahs.
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Ronald Reagan, speech to National Conservative Political Action Conference (8th March, 1985)
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAreagan.htm
“Freedom movements arise and assert themselves. They’re doing so on almost every continent populated by man-in the hills of Afghanistan, in Angola, in Kampuchea, in Central America.
In making mention of freedom fighters, all of us are privileged to have in our midst tonight one of the brave commanders who lead the Afghan freedom fighters-Abdul Haq. Abdul Haq, we are with you .
They are our brothers, these freedom fighters, and we owe them our help.” . . . They are the moral equal of our Founding Fathers and the brave men and women of the French Resistance. We cannot turn away from them for the struggle here is not right versus left; it is right versus wrong.
Wow, that sure is a lot of stirring of flames of religious intolerance, all right. Thanks, Bob. But what does it have to do with Paul Mirecki’s crazy attack story?
No, Mirecki could never have been beaten up by religious zealots in Kansas. That would be impossible. Everyone is so sweet here.
If you don’t see a connection, then you are a crackpot. And since you are a fan religious intolerance, maybe you should move to St. Marys, Kansas, a short distance west of here.
http://www.militia-watchdog.org/glover.asp
What particularly irritated Vanderboegh was Glover’s response to the “siege” of the Montana Freemen in Jordan, Montana, in March 1996, when FBI agents arrested Leroy Schweitzer and Dan Petersen and began a standoff with other Freemen that lasted for 81 days.
Although his movements and activities for much of 1996 are still unclear, at some point he began associating with common law court activists, including Bill and Karen Hanzlicek (convicted in the spring of 1997 for passing counterfeit checks made by the Montana Freemen), and extremists in St. Marys, Kansas, associated with the safe-sounding St. Pius X Society.
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http://www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia4.html
Scary Paramilitaries
ST. MARYS, KAN. — To a passer-by, this small town has an idyllic air. Its wide main street is packed with pickup trucks by day, empty and serene at night.
The St. Pius families, committed to the old Latin mass, speak of the need to return to traditional ways, without television, without feminism, without welfare, without interference from the state. It is they who give the town the appearance of a small-town America that does not exist anymore.
“You’ve got regular Catholics in this town, and you have this other outfit on the very conservative side,” said James Mees, a member of the City Commission. “You get a disproportionate number of right-wingers, a disproportionate number of John Birchers, pro-gun and anti-government.”
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http://www.sspx-schism.com/Rizzo-Story.htm
Fr. John Rizzo woke up early the morning of Monday, February 8, 1993. It was 40 degrees below zero in Crookston, Minnesota, and he could hear the howling winds outside as he vested for the 5:30 a.m. Mass at Our Lady of Sorrows chapel. He had spent the previous night in the basement of the church, but really hadn’t slept all that much. The moment of his carefully-planned escape from the Society of St. Pius X was almost upon him . . . He knew Fr. Harber would be expecting him back at the Society’s rectory in Browerville, Minnesota no later than noon, a good three hour drive away. He only hoped Harber wouldn’t discover he had emptied his room of all his belongings two nights before, packing them into his Subaru at 2 a.m. so as not to alert anyone of his plans.
Twelve hours and only a couple of rest stops later, he arrived at his brother’s house in Bellvue, Kansas. Though exhausted mentally and physically, he was glad to be free and at last out from under the sway of the Society. Or so he thought.
Some days later, he found himself at a Colorado retreat house run by another former priest of the Society. On the night of February 13, he remembers, a phone call came for him. A little surprised, he took the receiver from the seminarian who had answered the phone. The voice at the other end of the line belonged to a man, who said in a deep voice: “If you come anywhere near us, you’re one dead priest,” and hung up.
A short time after this, Fr. Rizzo made a visit to his brother’s house in Kansas. While he was there, he met Fr. Ramon Angles, the new rector of the parish and school at St. Mary’s. In August of 1989, Rizzo met with Angles in his private apartment on campus. After settling down in their chairs with their drinks, they began a rather ordinary conversation. John describes:
“All of a sudden, without any provocation whatsoever, he got up and went over to his bookshelf. He pulled out this huge book with the title The Life of Adolf Hitler and a big picture of Hitler on the cover giving his salute. He put it on the bridge of his nose, the same way the sub-deacon holds up the Book of the Gospels at a solemn High Mass. He walked around the coffee table in his apartment, making the noise of a thurible (ching, ching, ching, ching). After he sat down, he says: ‘Well, Rizzo, what do you think of that? Isn’t this great?’ He was laughing quite devilishly. He then asked, ‘What else do you want to talk about?’”
THE SSPX GETS NASTY
The last Saturday of that month, March 27, 1993, found Fr. Rizzo hearing confessions in the community room of a local bank in St. Marys, which some of the faithful had rented in order to provide a place for Fr. Rizzo to celebrate the sacraments. A little after 7 p.m., two law enforcement agents entered the room and asked those assembled the whereabouts of Fr. Rizzo. The priest had heard the commotion, so after his penitent had left, he emerged from the makeshift confessional. John remembers that the sheriff did not waste any time in issuing his warning: “I highly recommend that you leave town immediately. There’s a posse of men coming from over there (he motioned to the St. Mary’s campus) and I believe they have more fire power than we do.”
http://sspx.agenda.tripod.com/id9.html
Extremist politics flourishes at the Pius X Academy (the K-12 boarding school) and at the college in St. Mary’s, Kansas. Since 1989, Fr. Ramon Angles has been rector of the combined institutions. The children in St. Mary’s Academy learn to hate the American form of government. American icons are mocked. The Statue of Liberty is ridiculed as “a French prostitute.” The only good government, the only Catholic government, is monarchy.
Democracy is evil. But Fr. Angles carries the critique further. It seems that good government comes to fruition in the anti-Semitic dictatorship of Nazi Germany. In an absurd transformation of good and evil, the mass murderer, demon worshiping, anti-Catholic, Adolf Hitler is metamorphosed into a type of Christian King. Fr. Angles has an apartment full of Nazi paraphernalia which he shows to favored boys. He shows them the Nazi ceremonial daggers worn by officers of the Third Reich. He is proud of the vintage Mercedes owned by his family, which once was owned by Adolf Hitler. A one-time student at the academy was favored by a special meeting with Fr. Angles a couple of years ago. In his private room on campus, Angles treated him and a friend to a pizza and a showing of the Nazi propaganda film, Triumph of the Will.
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Tomorrow Belongs to Me
http://davidgardiner.net/Tomorrow_Belongs_to_Me.mp3
http://www.bartleby.com/66/63/28363.html
When an opponent declares, “I will not come over to your side,” I calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already…. What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.” - Adolf Hitler in a speech, Nov. 6, 1933, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959)
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http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html
And so, internally armed with faith in the goodness of God and the impenetrable stupidity of the electorate, the struggle for what is called ‘the reconstruction of the Reich’ can now begin.” –Adolf Hitler
Don’t stop there, Bob! I think we’re this close to blowing the lid off the whole Malkin - Abrams - Pius - Rizzo - bin Laden - Mussolini - Bush - O’Connor - Reagan - Harber - Mees - Zia - Robinson - Montgomery - Rader - Angles - Hitler conspiracy to silence Paul Mirecki! We’re just missing the Karl Rove angle.
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Oh, do you miss his angle? Too Bad! Jeff Gannon gets it all the time.
I don’t know who in the hell you are, and I had never heard of M. Malkin before she spewed her venom concerning Mericki, but whoever fed you your conspiracy theory is a nutcase pure and simple. Funny your website shows maps of Lawrence but no picture of Mirecki’s black eyes and bruises. Why is that Sean? Why didn’t you post that picture that the local newspaper published shortly after his attack? Could it be that it didn’t fit your propaganda?
This whole bit reminds me of Colin Powell’s phony presentation to the UN.
I don’t know where you live, but you are brain dead enough to be an honorable Kansan. As your conspiriacy theory develops, it will be interesting to find out who fed that mouth-breathing moron, M. Malkin, her line of [profanity].
Pile it higher and deeper Sean. This is just beginning to get interesting.
Since you crave Rove’s angle so much, I thought this might cheer you up.
Karl Rove brings dignity to the White House.
http://movies.ziaspace.com/billmaher021805gannon.mov
Great, I’m glad we got Rove in there, and Gannon is icing on the cake. And Colin Powell too! (How about Condi? Think we can sign her up?)
About the photo: are you referring to the picture of Mirecki displaying his contusions which was taken on Friday, Dec. 9, and published in the LJW on Saturday, Dec. 10? And you want to know why I didn’t post it here on Wednesday, Dec. 7? I’m afraid I was constrained by time. Sorry.
The rest of your comment — the stuff about conspiracy theories and propaganda and piling up stuff and not knowing who I am or where I live — cannot be referring to me; I figure it must be an internal dialogue.
“The rest of your comment — the stuff about conspiracy theories and propaganda and piling up stuff and not knowing who I am or where I live — cannot be referring to me; I figure it must be an internal dialogue.”
It might be a blow to your ego, but I have no idea who you are or where you live.
“Abrams - Pius - Rizzo - O’Connor - Robinson - Montgomery - Rader - Angles”
Gee Sean, I’m surprised you didn’t see the common denominator tying the above characters and organizations together. They’re Malkin’s Kansas fan club of course — her neocon base.
Let’s face it Sean, the neocon movement is just an amalgam of various hate groups, and hateful flat-earthers like you and Malkin are just their useful IDiots. You, Malkin and that dim-witted lardass KBOA chairman, Steve Abrams, can ride out on the same dinosaurs that you rode in on. Go peddle your “the earth is only 5000 years old” theory in your religious schools, but leave our tax money out of it.
Sean Gleeson and M. Malkin suggests that Mirecki’s beating is analogous to the Lavon Affair
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1112152825836
Fifty years after an Egyptian court convicted them of being Zionist agents, and 37 years after their release from Egyptian prisons, Marcelle Ninio, Robert Dassa and Meir Zafran were accorded military ranks Wednesday in recognition of their service to the state and their years of suffering.
The three are the last surviving members of Operation Susannah, an Israeli spy and sabotage network.
It was not till March 1975 that Israel acknowledged that the network had been trained in Israel by the IDF.
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“The underbelly of Berlin society found in the Kit Kat Klub starts to look safe and appealing compared with what is going on outside.”
GOPers, like Malkin and Gleeson want us tax payers to support their religious schools.
http://sspx.agenda.tripod.com/id9.html
THE ST MARY’S WAVE
Joe also says that he and his family now regularly receive the “St. Mary’s wave” from Society supporters when driving through town, a curious form of greeting that employs only the tallest of the five fingers.
Informants tell Fr. Angles if they spot a Society woman wearing pants in town. She and her family are then condemned from the pulpit. Children are taught to follow the rule of the priests and not their parents. If they follow their parents’ authority instead, they are told that they are going to hell.”
A 10-year-old boy was brought to the clinic for a checkup. The doctor told the mother, “if I thought it would do any good, I’d turn you in for child abuse if you send that boy back to St. Mary’s.” The parents removed the boy from St. Mary’s and placed him in public school, even though the priests taught the children that a child sent to public school would go to hell.
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http://www.bartleby.com/66/63/28363.html
“Your child belongs to us already…. What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.” - Adolf Hitler in a speech, Nov. 6, 1933, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959)
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October 26, 2004
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1328971,00.html
The musical Cabaret, set in pre-war Berlin, has opened in the German capital, and some of its key themes suddenly seem very topical.
Two neo-Nazi groups have become a potentially powerful force in regional parliaments, and this week a couple of members of far-right groups will go on trial in Berlin for kicking unconscious a black African hospital worker.
But in Berlin there was distinct queasiness at the weekend premiere when a man in a stormtrooper uniform lay on the piano and started to sing the lullaby Tomorrow Belongs to Me.
The song as the older members of the audience were well aware became an anthem for the Nazi movement. During the break, star German television interviewer Sabine Christiansen left.
Politicians began to wonder whether they were in the right place at the right time.
It is based on the stories of British novelist Christopher Isherwood, who went to Berlin at that time in search of sexual adventure.
Isherwood, like the stage hero, only slowly grasps the emerging Nazi threat.
The German actors in the show, tense about playing Nazis, have been quick to support each other.
“It wasn’t easy, believe me,” said Marco Billep, who plays a homosexual Nazi sympathiser. “Everyone wants to be loved and no one loves a Nazi.”
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http://www.portlandphoenix.com/archive/theater/02/07/19/theater_cabaret.html
Set in Berlin in the late 1930s, the political background is the early rise of the Nazi party. The party is not yet in power, but there is tension in anticipation of the possibility of a Nazi regime. A sleazy nightclub is the perfect setting for escaping the increasing concern, while letting the darkness and creepiness of the political climate fester. The underbelly of Berlin society found in the Kit Kat Klub starts to look safe and appealing compared with what is going on outside.
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“The entire operation was so mysterious that all persons involved in the operation, including US troops, were wearing masks, a source at the airport told Anwar.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1357699,00.html
An executive jet is being used by the American intelligence agencies to fly terrorist suspects to countries that routinely use torture in their prisons.
The Gulfstream flew them to Egypt, where both prisoners claimed they were beaten and tortured with electric shocks to their genitals.. . . When they connected to the electricity, his body would rise up and then fall down and this up and down would go on until they unplugged electricity.”
The entire operation was so mysterious that all persons involved in the operation, including US troops, were wearing masks, a source at the airport told Anwar.
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Well, that’s a wrap. Merry Christmas everybody
Is everything okay at home, Bob? We’re concerned.
OK, two things which are almost off-topic.
First of all. WT* is WYSIW*U*G?
Second, if I were naming a supposedly “open-minded” organization, I’d probably steer clear of “SOMA” which was the drug used to keep the plebes of Huxley’s “Brave New World” behaving.
The prof needs some soma about now.
Made up story or not, I feel sorry for the prof. This reception is certainly not going to make him more amenable to the church or the gospel.
And by “this reception,” I don’t refer to this post, but to the reactions of Christians in general.
Oh, this is very classy. Check out the video from Halloween 2004.
“Is everything okay at home, Bob? We’re concerned.”
Why yes Sean, everything is just lovely here.
And Kansas Senator Kay O’Connor and the Kansas State Board of Education want to remind everyone that if they believe the earth is more than 5000 years old, they are heathens and they are going to hell.
Merry Christmas!
“Is everything okay at home, Bob? We’re concerned.”
Your goon squad hasn’t gotten here to kill me yet, if that’s what you mean. Are you sure you sent them the correct maps and driving directions to my home? I can see why you are concerned.
Merry Christmas!
Kill my own guest-blogger, and end the Bob-Athon? Perish the thought. If I had a goon squad, I’d send them to bring you roses!
Crazy Bob writes here to diss us.
Still, we wish him Merry Christmas!
“If I had a goon squad, I’d send them to bring you roses!”
Oh sure you would Sean.
His holiness, Sean Gleeson, would like me to believe Mother Teresa was just a tramp compared to your level of piety, but your character is spelled out all over this webpage, and I know the only thing that prevents people like you from committing murder is the fear of being caught.
I’ve been out of town with family most of the day, so I hope your goons didn’t murder the wrong person. Oh well, that wouldn’t bother you now would it.
Hi Bob,
Why so angry? Were you a Howard Dean supporter? Attended the Iowa Caucuses in 2004. The Dean supporters were among the angriest people I have ever met. One reason why he ended up in third place in Iowa. My prediction in post #55 above is still on target. I did write this before I saw the pictures of Mirecki. I still do not believe it happened as he said it did. I could buy a road rage incident where he was out driving and not paying attention. Two men in a pick up truck come up behind him as he is driving slowly down the middle of the road. They honk and tailgate. He gets upset, stops his car gets out and they get out of their car. They hit him a couple of times and drive off. They had no clue who he was. I could buy that. Or he could have fallen down on the ice and bumped his head and bruised his arm.
The only problem with your hypothesis, Wheatie, is that it does not explain why Mirecki would lie.
If he had tripped down the stairs, why would he make up a story about being beaten up? Why would he not just say “I tripped down the stairs”? And if he was beaten in some kind of “road rage” incident, why would he lie about the details of the fight?
Either Mirecki is a sociopath who lies with no motives at all, or he had a reason to lie. I still think the most plausible explanation is that he got the bruises while engaged in some activity that he would rather not admit to. (See comment 6, above.) He had bruises which could not be hidden, and their true provenance would shame him. So he made up a story to explain them.
It still doesn’t explain why our “Bob” is so exercised. Are you just a lunatic, Bobbie, or do you have some connection to Mirecki? It’s okay, you can tell us, you’re among friends here.
Hi Sean,
If he received the injuries doing something he would rather not admit, why not say he fell down the stairs? This would not bring any attention from the police to him. He would have been treated and released from the hospital. If he instigated a road rage incident, he might not want to admit that.
He already knew Monday morning that the rest of his department was going to ask him to still step down as their leader. If he found a good reason, as getting beat up, Mirecki could generate some sympathy and they would step back and let him continue on as chair. Obviously it did not work. My guess they found the beating too convenient.
What makes this story so interesting is that people can come up with about a hundred different stories that make more sense than the one he came up with. It could be true(Mirecki’s). But I doubt it.
“Why so angry? Were you a Howard Dean supporter . . . blah blah blah.” -Wheatie
Do you think I’m angry? I’m not angry, I’m calmly exposing you and Sean for what you are — reactionary useful idiots for a neocon hate campaign.
Let me remind Sean that his accusation that Mericki might have been involved in a drug deal gone bad, is libelous at best. I expect every one of your computers to be seized by the KBI for analysis.
Obviously, Sean knows a whole lot more about Mericki’s beating than he is letting on.
“blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah” -Wheatie
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904
Hi Bob,
Nothing angry about the previous post, right Bob? Did you read my previous posts? Did I not say I participated in the Iowa Presidential Caucus as a Democrat? Hey nothing like throwing out that “neocon” label. You still seem very angry to me, Bob? I think I can also assume you were a “Deaniac.” And a tolerant one I might add.
Hi Bob,
You might throw “fundie” in your next post. “Fundie neocon” has a nice ring to it.
Or is that “neocon fundie”? I will have to think about that one.
“You might throw “fundie” in your next post. “Fundie neocon” has a nice ring to it.
Or is that “neocon fundie”? I will have to think about that one.” -Wheatie
Yes, that does have a nice ring to it. It you believe the earth is only 5000 years old, then you are a fundie, and since the fundies are hate mongers working for the neocons, the neocon fundie label works quite well.
You won’t find many neocon fundies here in Lawrence. Well, except for that dizzy airhead daughter of wmprof who is probably taking a course at KU teaching her how to be a GOP convention whore. It should come naturally to her through genetics. When she gets her certificate from the KU diploma mill, she will already have a lot of experience through KU’s “B is for [profanity]” program, popularized by their law school.
“KU’s “B is for [profanity]”
Sean, since when is [profanity] a profanity?
I thought you neocon fundies (thanks wheaties) loved the word [profanity]. Perhaps oral sex is the euphemism that GOPers prefer to use.
I certainly hope I have been helpful to wmprof who was concerned about what his daughter is learning at KU.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2001/jun/22/fired_professor_loses/
The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, ruling 3-0 Wednesday, refused to reinstate Emil Tonkovich to his job and ruled that a lower court properly threw out Tonkovich’s $10 million lawsuit.
Repeated attempts to call Tonkovich at home Thursday were met with a busy signal.
Tonkovich was fired in 1993 after a university disciplinary panel found him guilty of “a pattern of unethical behavior,” including an incident in which Tonkovich allegedly intimidated a law student into performing oral sex after a discussion about grades.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=10th&navby=case&no=963402
Then, on Monday, a federal judge dismissed all claims by former KU Law professor, Emil Tonkovich. Tonkovich filed the suit in 1995 after being fired over allegations that he pressured a female law student to perform oral sex on him.
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KU law school = going down.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/apr/01/kus_law_school/
Hi Bob,
Wheeew! I guess I am lucky. I must not be a fundie. Or a neocon. I do not believe the earth is 5000 years old. And I do not have a hateful bone in my body. No hate monger here. In fact, Bob, you might have run into me before. My daughter graduated from KU. You probably liked me.
This story intrigued me, not from the ID angle, but as I grew up in a small Kansas community and lived in Kansas my first 45 years, and know the people in Kansas, this story did not seem right. My gut feelings usually are pretty good.
Do you believe this story as Mirecki described it?
I have a question for all you ‘Fundies” out there. Bob said above that the “fundies are hate mongers working for the neocons”.
How much do you get paid by the “neocons” More than minimum wage I hope. Can a non “fundie” get paid by the neocons? You might wait until after the first year so you can include it on next years taxes.
It’s no use, Wheatie. I don’t believe the Earth is 5000 years old either, nor am I a neocon, and I’ve had nothing but sweet, kind words for Bob. But here I am, a “neocon fundie” like yourself, and a murderer with pretensions of piety.
“I have a question for all you ‘Fundies” out there. Bob said above that the “fundies are hate mongers working for the neocons”.
How much do you get paid by the “neocons” More than minimum wage I hope.” -Wheatie
Don’t be ridiculous Wheatie, Fundies do their hate mongering for free. They see it as a service to God.
“In fact, Bob, you might have run into me before. My daughter graduated from KU. You probably liked me.” -Wheatie
I seriously doubt I have ever met you or your daughter, and I don’t know what gives you the idea that I would like you. Eveyone loves me, but who in their right mind would like you? There are ten female KU students living next door to me, and one of them might be the prof’s daughter. His description of her fits most of them.
“I grew up in a small Kansas community and lived in Kansas my first 45 years, and know the people in Kansas” -Wheatie
Yes, see line # 65 for descriptions of typical Kansans.
“It’s no use, Wheatie. I don’t believe the Earth is 5000 years old either, nor am I a neocon, and I’ve had nothing but sweet, kind words for Bob. But here I am, a “neocon fundie” like yourself, and a murderer with pretensions of piety.” -Sean
Sure Sean, your rush to judgment was done out of your undying love for humanity. Everyone can see your holiness shining through.
You claimed that I should know your name, but I don’t. Your quick legal judgment leads me to believe you must be Bush’s next appointee to the Supreme Court — Old Knee-Jerk Gleeson, the best judge money can buy. Sean would never resort to propaganda for political purposes.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini
Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini led Italy from 1922 to 1943. He created a fascist state through the use of state terror and propaganda. Using his charisma, total control of the media and intimidation of political rivals, he disassembled the existing democratic government system.
Mussolini’s Fascist state, established nearly a decade before Adolf Hitler’s rise to power, would provide a model for Hitler’s later economic and political policies.
Most of his time was spent on propaganda, whether at home or abroad, and here his training as a journalist was invaluable. Press, radio, education, films — all were carefully supervised to manufacture the illusion that fascism was the doctrine of the 20th century, replacing liberalism and democracy.
The law codes were rewritten. All teachers in schools and universities had to swear an oath to defend the Fascist regime. Newspaper editors were all personally chosen by Mussolini himself, and no one could practice journalism who did not possess a certificate of approval from the Fascist party.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/25/AR2005122500665_pf.html
December 26, 2005
President Bush has been summoning newspaper editors lately in an effort to prevent publication of stories he considers damaging to national security.
The efforts have failed, but the rare White House sessions with the executive editors of The Washington Post and New York Times are an indication of how seriously the president takes the recent reporting that has raised questions about the administration’s anti-terror tactics.
After Bush’s meeting with the Times executives, first reported by Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter, the president assailed the paper’s piece on domestic spying, calling the leak of classified information “shameful.” Some liberals, meanwhile, attacked the paper for holding the story for more than a year after earlier meetings with administration officials.
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http://atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/GL15Dj01.html
Fascist dictatorships were borne to power in each of these countries by big business and they served the interests of big business with remarkable ferocity. These facts have been lost to the popular consciousness in North America. Fascism could therefore return to us, and we will not even recognize it. Indeed, Huey Long, one of America’s most brilliant and most corrupt politicians, was once asked if America would ever see fascism. His answer was, “Yes, but we will call it anti-fascism.”
Most people today are quite certain that they know what fascism is. When asked to describe it, however, they will typically tell you what it was, the assumption being that it no longer exists. Most people associate fascism with concentration camps and rows of stormtroopers, yet they know nothing of the political and economic processes that led to these horrible end results.
I only claimed that you should know my name because it’s at the top of every page on this website. It’s my real name, and my address and phone number are in the book. You, “Bob,” are an anonymous commenter.
“I only claimed that you should know my name because it’s at the top of every page on this website. It’s my real name, and my address and phone number are in the book.” -Sean
What book?
Nevermind, I really don’t want to know who you are. I’d rather let your greatness escape me.
“You, “Bob,” are an anonymous commenter.”
Yeah, and if you think my name is Bob, I have some oceanfront property in Louisiana that might interest you.
Sean, it’s confession time.
You’re yanking our chain, aren’t you? There is no way “Bob” is that clueless!
No one can be that out of touch with reality. And no one can be so oblivious to what “the book” that contains names and phone numbers is.
And no one can miss your using quotes around his name …
“Bob” is made up, isn’t he? You’ve been inspired by Mirecki, haven’t you?
Oh, you had us going for a minute.
Good one, Sean!
Hi Bob,
“Typical Kansans” C’mon Bob, I can feel the hate from that email.
Life is way too short. Had that blood pressure checked lately?
Hey you could move to Mass. so you could be represented by a senator who has the Indian name of “Drowns a Woman”.
Supporting Dean again in 2008?
Before I get a reply back on that, let me help you write your next post:
“Hitler, blah, blah, blah, blah, Mussolini, blah, blah, blah, blah, Fascist, blah, blah, blah, those evil Kansans, blah, blah, blah…………”
Hi Bob,
Sorry, I was in a hurry with the post above. The one part should read:
“Fascist, blah, blah, blah, blah” instead of “Fascist, blah, blah, blah”
“Sean, it’s confession time. You’re yanking our chain, aren’t you? . . . And no one can be so oblivious to what “the book” that contains names and phone numbers is.” -basil rath-bone
Hey basil, I assumed the “book” referred to was a phone book. Are you saying Sean Gleeson lives in Lawrence? If so, that figures. He fits in perfectly here.
““Bob” is made up, isn’t he?” -basil
That depends — are you interested in buying some oceanfront property?
“You’ve been inspired by Mirecki, haven’t you?” -basil
I don’t know Mericki, but I did speak to Tim Miller several years ago. He called to ask me a bunch of questions over the phone, but I have never personally met anyone in the Religious studies program at KU.
“I can feel the hate from that email” -Wheatie
Take an alkaselzer — it was probably just gas.
“Hey you could move to Mass. so you could blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah.” -Wheatie
You are proof that one doesn’t have to be a Fundie to be a hate-filled neocon. As I pointed out earlier, the neocon movement is just an amalgam of hate groups, and your hate group appears to be the Kansas Republican party — all crackpots.
Hi Bob,
You misquoted me. You wrote:
“Hey you could move to Mass. so you could blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah.” -Wheatie
That should read “Hey you could move to Mass. so you could blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah,blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah,blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah.blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah,blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah “Drowns a woman…” -Wheatie
What else do you misquote, Bob?
Still waiting for your reply on whether you believe Mirecki’s story or if you are supporting Dean in 2008?
By the way, I do not live in Kansas. Do you get anything right? I liked how you snuck “neocon” and “hate-filled” in your post again. Great work!!!!!!!! You just might win that coveted MOVEON.ORG “Poster of the year” award.
Hi Bob,
With that poster of the year award you get a free trip to see Howard Dean speak where he names all fifty states and yells ” ahhhhhhhhh”
Or is it “yeaaaaaaaaah”/
“That should read “Hey you could move to Mass. so you could blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah,blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah,blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah.blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah,blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah”
You incompetent idiot — the syncopation is all wrong. Can’t you get anything right?
Try some onomatopoeia, and blog me in the morning.
Hi Bob,
You forgot to put “hate-filled and “neocon” in front of “idiot”. Are you really becoming more tolerant? ” bada bing bada boom”. How’s that for onomatopoeia?
Hi Bob,
Catch you later. Taking the wife to see that “fundie neocon idiot” movie “The Squid and the Whale”.
“Catch you later. Taking the wife to see that “fundie neocon idiot” movie”
I’ve read reviews. I hear it was filmed right here in river city, or someplace south of town.
It is a small world.
Here I was out on the world-wide-web, where I ran onto a Chritsiano-fascist webpage, and the bloggers there turned out to be from Lawrence Kansas. What are the odds?
Well, actually the odds are pretty good, considering the typical Kansan. [for those on the world-wide-web outside of the Kansas hinterland, please refer to line 65 for a detailed description of typical Kansans]
48: “And my daughter, the KU Junior, didn’t know who Tawana Brawley was… what are they teaching them over there?” -wmprof
Don’t you get the KU newsletter? Kansas is proud of its KU trained professionals.
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2005/November/05_crt_599.html
The Justice Department announced today that Arlan Kaufman, 69, and his wife, Linda Kaufman, 62, were convicted on federal charges for forcing mentally ill patients to perform sexually explicit acts on videotape and to perform physical labor in the nude.
Several victims testified at trial that Arlan Kaufman also forced them to perform manual farm labor in the nude.
Linda Kaufman, a registered nurse, helped her husband enforce the house rules and participated in fraudulently billing the government for the “therapy” provided at Kaufman House.
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www.thekansan.com/stories/062505/localnews_0625050012.shtml
Videos and patients’ stories paint a disturbing picture of life inside Kaufmans’ homes
Newton Kansas
Kaufmans had a dream
Mr. Kaufman graduated from Newton High School in 1954 and earned a degree from hometown Bethel College in 1960.
He completed a master’s degree in social work at The University of Kansas from 1962 to 1968.
Hi Bob,
Just got back from the movie. You can tell us Bob, that movie was about your family and you were the kid who wiped his hand on the locker?
Bob, I want to help you out. Below is a list containing the number of times you use a term in one of your post. You have posted 18 times so your Hitler reference averages 1 per post. As you can see you are a little behind with the other terms. How are you going to win the MOVEON.ORG ” poster of the year” award unless you use more of those terms? Please Bob, do not let us down! Please!!!!
goons 4
idiot 6
mussolini 7
Nazi 13
fascist 13
Fundie 14
hate 15
neocon 15
Hitler 18
Hi Bob,
You never commented on my comment below. How was that for nonatopoeia?
“You forgot to put “hate-filled and “neocon” in front of “idiot”. Are you really becoming more tolerant? ” bada bing bada boom”. How’s that for onomatopoeia?”
Hi Bob,
Terrible typer I am. That should say onomatopoeia.
Bada Bing Bada Boom
“bada bing bada boom”. How’s that for onomatopoeia?” -Wheatie
Yes, you did that real well. Is that what you said when you beat on Mericki? I hope when you go to trial, your jury is composed of open minded people like Sean, who will condemn you without hearing one word of evidence.
I seriously didn’t realize that you are all local yokels until yesterday. I thought I was blogging to the international movers and shakers. Your Lawrence address makes you all suspects in Mericki’s assault. I still haven’t checked the phone book to see if Sean lives here, and I won’t. He probably lives in an undisclosed dungeon like Cheney, the dungeonmeister.
I bet Sean’s computer, as well as yours, will provide the KBI with a lot of information concerning Mericki’s beating, but more importantly, it might provide some insight into why Republicans crave frat-house snuff movies, hillbilly heroin, naked pyramids & ect., as well as why you pretend Christians are addicted to masturbation.
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http://www.dea.gov/pubs/states/kansas.html
Lawrence, Kansas reports that OxyContin® is the most abused pharmaceutical drug in the area and is available for $40 a tablet.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/jul/21/
When the Rev. Darrell Brazell, an evangelical minister, first heard that police had found thousands of pornographic images on former Christian-school leader Martin K. Miller’s home computer, he wasn’t surprised.
Brazell knows. He admitted to being addicted to pornography for 15 years.
Christian men, Brazell said, are especially susceptible to becoming addicted to pornography and, consequently, masturbation.
Hi Bob,
You really don’t read too well, do you? I have only said, oh, about a thousand times that I do not live in Lawrence. It would have been hard for me to be one of Mirecki’s “alleged” assailants as I was 4 hours from Lawrence at that time.
I am really proud of you ,Bob, along with goons, idiot, mussolini, Nazi, fascist, Fundie, hate, neocon, and Hitler, you were able to work “masturbation” in one of your posts. Please note my comment in post #107 and go see “The Squid and the Whale”. You will see how ironic your post is. And it is funny. Bada Bing Bada Boom
And thanks Bob, for having such an “open-mind” and being so “tolerant.”
Hi Sean,
It has been over three weeks since Mirecki claimed he was beaten up by those “Neocon Fundie IDiots” What is the word around Lawrence? Any new news or has it all quieted down? I’m beginning to think this will be how it ends. The police never catch those “alleged” assailants because there are no assailants to catch.
Thanks for providing “Bob”. I think I know him all too well.
“It would have been hard for me to be one of Mirecki’s “alleged” assailants as I was 4 hours from Lawrence at that time.” -Wheatie
Sure you were Wheatie. Funny how this website was designed to direct attention away from the real culprits in Mirecki’s beating. What kind of motive would anyone have for doing that?
It sounds like you are already trying to cover your tracks.
Alibi, Schmalibi, we Kansans aren’t about to let a few facts get in the way of a good conviction.
Hi Bob,
“Funny how this website was designed to direct attention away from the real culprits in Mirecki’s beating.”-Bob
That should read “Alleged culprits”. “Real” means they would actually exist other than in Mirecki’s mind. Bada Bing Bada Boom
You never replied Bob. Do you believe Mirecki and that it happened exactly the way he said it did?
This website was designed to do what? Bob, you’re getting too weird now. This site is over a year old. But I’m wondering, why was porn addict Marty Miller calling you with questions? Are you a pornographer, Bob?
“This site is over a year old. But I’m wondering, why was porn addict Marty Miller calling you with questions? Are you a pornographer, Bob?” -Sean
Marty Miller?
Did you have a stroke, or has your Alzheimers set in?
This is what I wrote earlier: “I don’t know Mericki, but I did speak to Tim Miller several years ago.”
There is a difference. You’ve proven to be quite a critical thinker Sean.
Marty Miller is a religious fundie and a murderer, while Tim Miller is:
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/08/mirecki_resigns_leadership_position/
Tim Miller, a professor in the department of religious studies, said Mirecki has chaired the department for about three and a half years.
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Sean, this is the only webpage of yours that I have ever read. I haven’t read any of your other slop, but if this page is any indication, I can imagine your content.
“I have only said, oh, about a thousand times that I do not live in Lawrence.” -Wheatie
Wheatie, I quickly scanned through these posts and didn’t find one instance of where you said you were not from Lawrence. Are you high on hillbilly heroin?
But that’s silly. Why would a religious studies professor be calling you about pornography addiction? What do you do for a living, anyway?
I read Wheatie’s comments, and he explicitly said at least four times that he does not live in Kansas. Lawrence is in Kansas. Ergo, he does not live in Lawrence. I inferred that he might live in Iowa, since he participated in their primary, but I suppose there might be some other explanation for that.
“Why would a religious studies professor be calling you about pornography addiction?” -Sean
He didn’t, and he wouldn’t.
According to experts, it is your kind that becomes addicted to pornography, so if Tim Miller were to write a thesis on that topic, you’d be the type of person he would want to contact.
See comment # 65
Sean, do you claim to live in Lawrence?
Why are you so ignorant about our local personalities?
How could you confuse a local murderer for Tim Miller?
“I read Wheatie’s comments, and he explicitly said at least four times that he does not live in Kansas.” -Sean
So, what happened to the the other 996 that Wheaties claimed were there?
I never claimed to live in Lawrence. I used to live in Wichita; now I live in Oklahoma City. I have been to Lawrence. Maybe we’ve met. You probably liked me as much as Wmprof.
“I never claimed to live in Lawrence. I used to live in Wichita; now I live in Oklahoma City. I have been to Lawrence. Maybe we’ve met. You probably liked me as much as Wmprof.” -Sean
It was Wheatie who thought I might like him. [comment # 91]
Wmprof has never responded to anything I’ve written.
Oklahoma & Iowa huh?
So, what you are saying is, Mericki’s beating was the result of an interstate terrorist operation, outside of the KBI’s jurisdiction. It looks like case falls under Homeland Security’s lone-wolf provision.
Tell you buddy, Wheatie, to come along peacefully and nobody will get hurt.
I think Michelle Malkin’s informant should be a person of interest too.
Go get ‘em Homeland Security!
Hi Bob,
“So, what happened to the the other 996 that Wheaties claimed were there?”-Bob
Let me explain as simple as I can since you have trouble reading.
I grew up and worked my first 40 years in Kansas. Was transfered to Iowa for a job. Do you have a job, Bob? My daugther graduated from KU with honors. Being the good Dad, I would visit a few times a year. If you ate at Stone Creek, you probably met her as she worked there part-time.
Now Bob, I have a question for you. Do you believe Mirecki? Let’s walk though this. Mirecki is very smart. He must be to be the chair of the department. He is much smarter than me, and probably smarter than you, Bob. As he is smart, he knows all about those, as you describe them, “typical Kansans”. You know the ones Bob, the killers, rapists, fascists, nazis, and lets not forget those “fundie neocon IDiots” He takes a drive early, way early, an hour before the sun comes up early, on a cold 10F morning. A “pick-up truck” tailgates him on a deserted road somewhere “south” of Lawerence. He stops his car. They stop behind him. And he gets out. Does he not know about the ‘Typical Kansans”. Has he ever heard of rolling down your window a little to see who it might be. This is the “freaking” chair of the department. Do you believe this story Bob? C’mon, you can admit you have some doubts.
This is a much better story: Mirecki is driving aimlessly south of town. He has had a really bad week. The rest of his department is going to ask him to step down from his chair. A pickup truck with a couple of good ol boys, (they have a job Bob), are heading to their construction job. Poor Paul is not paying any attention as he is driving down the middle of the road. The good ol boys honk their horn and suprise him.
He is pissed and stops his car in the middle of the road and gets out and starts yelling at the good ol boys. One brings out a metal object because he does not know who the guy (Mirecki) is that is yelling at them. The other guy (not the metal object guy) hits him(mirecki) a couple of times and realize this guy(mirecki) is, is, is, ahhhh, shall we say kind of wimpy. They have no clue who he is. They do not know that he is a chair of a department at KU, and if they did they could care less.
They get in their pickup and drive off. Mirecki does not remember the color or tag of the pickup, because he was so upset when he got out of his car, his only focus was on yelling, and not observing.
He gets back in the car and heads off to the hospital, a little embarassed. Okay, a lot embarassed and blames this on those NFI.
Even if he knew the color of the pickup, he really does not want them to find the “real culprits” as you put it. Because they would tell the real story, that would be easy to check out.
Or he could have fallen down the stairs?
Bada Bing Bada Boom
“Bada Bing Bada Boom”
“My daugther graduated from KU with honors.”
KU’s law school, I assume.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=10th&navby=case&no=963402
Then, on Monday, a federal judge dismissed all claims by former KU Law professor, Emil Tonkovich. Tonkovich filed the suit in 1995 after being fired over allegations that he pressured a female law student to perform oral sex on him.
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Let’s walk though this crime again.
Religious fundie, John Altevogt, sometimes known as the blind cleric, spied on Mirecki’s e-mail, went into a rage, and then distributed Mirecki’s e-mail to his hate group.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/03/conservative_critic_known_inflammatory_speech/
Altevogt frequently resorts to invective and derision to describe those with whom he disagrees. He has called a message board sparring partner “nazi.” He once referred to then First Lady Hillary Clinton as “Hitlary.”
http://jaltevogt.reeceandnichols.com/AgentHome/Homepage.aspx
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Then, flat earthers, of John Altevogt’s persuasion, became outraged that someone would suggest dinosaurs didn’t live along side of humans, and they became violent.
They searched the internet for Mirecki’s address and maps to his home. Then using the cover of darkness, they ambushed him, beat the hell out of him, and quickly returned to their home state.
Nobody from the Lawrence area would dare to attack Mirecki for fear of being recognized, but that wouldn’t stop those from out of state from attacking him. They could easily return to the comfort of their homes thinking they had commit the perfect crime.
Lawrence is a small town, and 42% of all adults here are college students. We have roughly 30,000 adults living here who are not students, and most of them are liberals, which makes Lawrence a target for neocon hate crimes.
The perpetrators of this crime were probably somewhat familiar with the layout of Lawrence. Perhaps they had a daughter who went to school here.
After the terrorists beat on Mirecki, they began blogging online to throw suspicion on Mirecki himself, and as a result, hate mongers nationwide joined in the fray.
Turn yourself in Wheatie, your gig is up.
Surely, Bob, you are not faulting the man for using “invective and derision to describe those with whom he disagrees”?
‘Surely, Bob, you are not faulting the man for using “invective and derision to describe those with whom he disagrees”?’
If there were a law against that, Michelle Malkin would be out of business.
And don’t call me Shirley-Bob.
You know what Malkin’s angle is in all of this don’t you?
She is a racist pig, just like some of our other fundies on the Kansas State School Board.
Do you know how racist pigs get elected to our school board. This is how school board member, Connie Morris, did it:
http://www.pitch.com/issues/2005-08-18/news/feature_5.html
In December 2002, Morris sent an e-mail to an anti-immigration group claiming that Garden City’s then-mayor, Tim Cruz, was an illegal alien.
“It was really like a hate group,” Cruz says of the Emigration Party of Nevada, which included Morris’ statements in a newsletter e-mailed to its members. “I was concerned, not only for myself but my family, because you never know how people who read that stuff take it, and a lot of things could happen. ”
“I find it appalling that a person can break the law and enter the country illegally and end up as mayor,” Morris told the Associated Press.
Cruz, however, is a third-generation resident of Garden City. His parents were born in the United States; he was born at St. Catherine Hospital in 1959 and graduated from Garden City High School in 1977.
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P.S. How many generations has Malkin’s Filipino family been in the US?
In defense of racial profiling?
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/20/retiree_claims_privacy_invasion/
A retired Kansas University professor says the federal government has been poking into the mail he receives from abroad.
“Very uneasy. And very surprised,” Goodman, 81, a KU professor emeritus of history, said of his reaction to the federal snooping. “I never expected to see that.”
Goodman’s revelation came the same day that President Bush defended his decision to authorize — without permission from Congress or the courts — a secret program to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism.
Goodman said the news about warrantless wiretaps prompted him to go public about his opened mail.
The U.S. government has been concerned about the Muslim insurgency in the Philippines, but Goodman said his correspondent — a devoutly Catholic Filipino history professor in her 80s — was an unlikely suspect to be connected to such causes.
Hi Bob,
Very good Bob, you have added to your terms you use.
goons 4
idiot 6
mussolini 7
Nazi 14
fascist 13
Fundie 15
hate 16
neocon 15
Hitler 18
But you still have not replied to the $1,000,000 question. Why did Mirecki get out of his vehicle? Being a smart guy and all. Chair of his department. Knowing all about those “typical kansans”. A Phd.
Tenured Professor. Being “smarter than an average bear”-YOGI
Why would he make it so easy? C’mon Bob! We await your explanation!
Just give it a try. Just once. You are probably almost as smart as Mirecki. You probably can come up with a great reply.
And don’t forget to use those terms above.
Bada Bing Bada Boom
Hi Bob,
I want to add that if you eat any products made with wheat, corn, or soybeans, you help pay my salary. I really appreciate that. It was a very nice Christmas.
Thanks again Bob.
Hi Bob,
And what is this obsession with Malkin. You can tell us Bob. Would you like to get a little of that? With all these comments about Miller, masturbation………. You think about her a lot, don’t you Bob.
Bada Bing Bada Boom(what Bob would like to do to Michelle)(and it would probably take about that much time)
“Hi Bob, I want to add that if you eat any products made with wheat, corn, or soybeans, you help pay my salary. I really appreciate that. It was a very nice Christmas.” -dinky dalton
Most of those crops are not eaten by people — they go into cattle feed, and they are burning corn for heat in some places here.
Which end of the agribusiness chain are you , Dinky?
I live in Lawrence, yet wheat, corn, soybeans, milo, alfalfa, but primarily beef, is what is produced on my end.
I bet you are a parasitic lackey working for Monsanto.
Things look so prosperous there in Iowa, that we might have to shift some more of your federal tax money to Lawrence.
Thankfully, Pearson Government Solutions has directed some of your highway money this way already. We don’t care if fraud was involved as long as we get your money.
The top three major employers in Lawrence:
KU (9,555 employees),
Lawrence Public Schools (1,687),
Pearson Government Solutions (1,540),
http://www.pearsongovernmentsolutions.com/aboutus.htm
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July 2005
Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/30/AR2005063001858.html
Federal investigators are examining a Transportation Security Administration contract for evidence that private contractors committed fraud during a project to hire a workforce of airline passenger screeners, company and government officials said yesterday.
A Pearson spokeswoman said company officials were cooperating with federal investigators. “There has been a civil investigation that is being conducted by the Department of Homeland Security,” said Eileen Cassidy Rivera, a spokeswoman for the company, now called Pearson Government Solutions.
The audit questioned spending by Pearson and an array of subcontractors, including $1,180 for 20 gallons of coffee at one hotel, $8,100 for elevator operators at another, and $377,000 in long-distance phone calls.
One subcontractor claimed a $5.4 million salary for nine month’s work, the audit said.
Hi Bob,
‘I bet you are a parasitic lackey working for Monsanto.’-BOB
Bob, I’m going to have to take that back. About you being almost as smart as Mirecki. Ahhh, that evil Monsanto. Sorry Bob. Monsanto has 0,zip, nada, wheat programs. You are way too predictable. Throwing out all the left wing drivel. And although some wheat is fed to animals most is used for human consumption.
Why did Mirecki get out of his vehicle?
Wheatie, you don’t have to tell me about wheat.
LINK: (PDF)
FACTS
On average, Kansas is the largest wheat producing state. Nearly one-fifth of all wheat grown in the United States is grown in Kansas.
Kansas produces three varieties
Hard Red Winter (94 percent) — High in protein, has strong gluten. Used for yeast breads and rolls. Grown in all Kansas counties. Kansas is responsible for producing 40% of U.S. Hard Red Winter Wheat.
Soft Red Winter (1 percent) — Used for flat breads, cakes, pastries and crackers. Grown in the
eastern part of the State.
Hard White(5 percent) — Used for yeast breads, hard rolls, tortillas and noodles. This new class of wheat is grown in the western and central parts of Kansas
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“Monsanto has 0,zip, nada, wheat programs. You are way too predictable. Throwing out all the left wing drivel. ” -dinky
Oh my, Dinky, you sure went to the defense of Monsanto real fast. I must have hit the nail on the head. Monsanto employees are scum sucking pigs.
http://www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/other7268.html
17th March 2004
Monsanto have made an application to Food Standards Australia New Zealand (FSANZ) to have their genetically modified wheat, MON 71800, approved for the Australian and New Zealand food supplies.
The wheat has been engineered to be resistant to the herbicide glyphosate, by the addition of the bacterial gene cp4 epsps. It will therefore contain residues of glyphosate as well as GE material.
The wheat has been developed by Monsanto Australia. Currently none is grown in New Zealand or Australia, but it is obvious from this attempt to include it in our food supply that they also want it grown in Australia and probably New Zealand too. If this happens it will be impossible to keep genetic contaminants out of our food supply.
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http://www.biotech.wisc.edu/seebiotech/seemail/may2004/051704.html
May 12, 2004
Monsanto already has successfully commercialized GM corn and soybean feed grains.
KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Reuters) — Biotech crop pioneer Monsanto Company has suspended plans to introduce what would be the world’s first biotech wheat, bowing to a storm of protest from around the world over the company’s scientific tinkering with a key food crop.
Monsanto said Monday it had reached the decision after “extensive consultation” with customers in the wheat industry and would continue to monitor the industry to determine “if and when” it might be practical to move forward.
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Since this discussion has eroded to ag talk, I’ll let you mouth breathing morons take it from here.
“Why did Mirecki get out of his vehicle?”
Just because you neocons are cowards who are afraid of your own shadows, you shouldn’t expect the rest of us to cower like you do.
During this season, I have to confront all sorts of strangers face to face when they are burglarizing in my neighborhood. My wife and I live in the only owner-occupied residence on our block. The remainder are student rentals.
I simply walk out in the middle of the night with no weapon and confront them, and they run off. Perhaps I should just let them break into the girls house next door, but I am the only neighborhood watchman on this block, and I don’t allow criminal activity when I can prevent it.
I’m not afraid of them like cowardly Republicans are.
This is my neighborhood.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/28/burglaries_near_campus_investigated/
Burglars struck a campus-area neighborhood during the weekend — a reminder of the importance of taking extra precautions while leaving town for the holidays.
On Monday, police responded to three residential-burglary reports in the 1000 block of Mississippi Street. Two cases involved forced entry through doors, and one involved forced entry through a window.
The burglaries had happened sometime after Dec. 20. Items stolen included video games, video game players, DVDs and jewelry.
On Tuesday, police took two more residential-burglary reports in the 900 block of Mississippi Street.
Lawrence Police spokesman Sgt. Dan Ward said it’s typical to see burglaries while people are away for the holidays, and that the numbers of reports increase when Kansas University students come back to town for the new semester.
Don’t be so modest! Where are the articles about the burglaries thwarted by courageous Bob?
“Don’t be so modest! Where are the articles about the burglaries thwarted by courageous Bob?”
You won’t find any articles written about that because I have never called the police, thus no crime has ever been reported me. Well, except for one time, when a guy was bludgeoned and laying out in the street, I called 911.
As I said, they run when I approach them. Not because I approach them in a threatening manner, because I don’t. Never approach a burglar or derelict screaming and yelling — you have to be street-smart to live in this neighborhood. My block is full of derelicts, dumpster divers, petty criminals and drunken students, but the crack houses and the registered sex offenders that were previously here have moved somewhere else recently.
The story that I posted about the burglaries in this neighborhood had nothing to do with me — those burglaries happened a few blocks away, close to the stadium. My neighborhood, which is closer to downtown, is much worse.
http://www2.ljworld.com/photos/2005/dec/23/71526/
I’ve lived all over the US, and have spent a great deal of time in some of the most crime ridden zones in the US, so anything that happens here is tame in comparison.
So you aren’t in Old West Lawrence? It’s a pretty part of town. The photo caption didn’t explain why there were so few Christmas lights. Was it a zoning ordinance, or an ACLU thing, or what?
Hi Bob,
17th March 2004
May 12, 2004
Those are the two dates that you show. One by a “green” website.
Let’s see, those are almost two years old. Why do you think I go by the name of Wheatie. I used to live in Kansas. Hhhmmm. How would I know that Monsanto was not involved in wheat anymore? Any acres in Kansas have Monsanto wheat planted? I don’t think so. Any in the rest of the U.S.? Nope! Monsanto does not collect any dollars for wheat, but I said above that if you use wheat you help pay my salary. Darn, I must not work for Monsanto. The two leading varieties in Kansas are Jagalene, which is a cross between the varieties Jagger and Abilene and Jagger, which is a cross between a Hard red winter line from Kansas State and a Soft White Wheat variety Stephens that was developed in the Pacific Northwest. Sorry just showing off. I have forgot more about wheat than you will ever know Bob. Let me continue on, Eagle, a selection from Scout was the most popular variety in the early 70’s. Newton, the first semidwarf wheat released by Kansas State was the most popular in the late 70’s. How about Arkan……I know this can be boring, but not to me.
Actually I won my bet. You are too predictable, Bob. I bet my son, that I could get you to use Monsanto in a post without lying(you do help pay by salary Bob) or using the term biotech. Why would I include a post out of the blue about my job? Monsanto is the big bad guy to the greens. I just mention those three crops and lo and behold Monsanto comes spewing forth in the next post. Your politics are straight off the most left leaning web sites. I figured you out in your first post. You are so much fun to play with.
Bada Bing Bada Boom
Ah, I found the story. Unsafe electrical sockets, eh?
Hi Bob,
Sorry, I must be honest. My best friend works for Big Bad Monsanto.
In case some of you foreigners from advanced civilizations like Iowa and Oklahoma don’t know where Douglas County Kansas is, I’ve provided a map. Douglas is the small blue dot in the mass of red. You can see why neocons like M. Malkin love to hate us.
http://images.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/elections2004/_images/2000countymap.gif
“The photo caption didn’t explain why there were so few Christmas lights.” yep, light socket shock.
One of our city workers got shocked on the wiring which is buried in the tree planters, so the whole downtown streetscape is being rewired. The lights which are normally wrapped in the trees should be back next year.
Wheatie, the only reason there isn’t any Monsanto wheat is because farmers protested it. That doesn’t mean we won’t have any in the future. Genetically altered crops are destroying unique strains of crops that have been around for eons (despite what the Kansas Board of Education says)
If you care to learn more, I can provide that information.
Didn’t you claim to be a Democrat? And aren’t you always bitching about leftist and Democratic politicians while praising the intolerance of the rightwing?
Didn’t you claim you had nothing to do with Mericki’s beating?
How do we know that Christmas light socket wasn’t sabotaged by a certain Lawrencian who lives in the area, to punish the neocon fundies, huh?
Hi Bob,
“Wheatie, the only reason there isn’t any Monsanto wheat is because farmers protested it. That doesn’t mean we won’t have any in the future. Genetically altered crops are destroying unique strains of crops that have been around for eons”-Bob
How is it going in stopping that big bad Monsanto? Soybeans are now about 90% gmo and corn is close to 60% gmo in the US. And wait till you see what Monsanto and the other companies have in store for you in the future. Crops that use half the water they use now. And we will need those some day.(Did you know there was a 75 year drought on the Great Plains 800 years ago that make the drought on the plains during the depression look like a walk in the park). If we only grew the strains from ‘eons’ ago, the world population would be about 1 billion(or less) because of the starvation. Have you ever seen those strains from “eons” ago?
You can show me all those “green” sites, but believe me, even they will not care if their food has GMO’s as long as they can eat.
I see you still have the hots for Malkin.
Bada Bing Bada Boom
Hi Bob,
I see on Malkin’s site that she does not like Fred Phelps. Just like you.
That has to turn you on a little, doesn’t it Bob? That you agree with Malkin. Or is it she agrees with you? So much fun Bob!
Bada Bing Bada Boom
“Hi Bob, I see on Malkin’s site that she does not like Fred Phelps.” -Wheatie
Gee, Imagine that! — Malkin distancing herself from Phelps. I wonder why? Maybe she doesn’t like his hat.
http://mindprod.com/images/fredphelps.jpg
Is this something new for Malkin? Maybe my recent e-mails to her finally sunk in.
Phelps taught his children to be intolerant and hateful, and now he has his grandchildren in on his act.
Isn’t that what the neocons believe in? Intolerance?
http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/images/IMG200344534LO.jpg
Hi Bob,
“Just because you neocons are cowards who are afraid of your own shadows, you shouldn’t expect the rest of us to cower like you do.
During this season, I have to confront all sorts, yada, yada, yada, yada”-bob
Are you going to ever give a straight answer Bob? Why did Mirecki leave his vehicle in 10F weather, and a hour and a half before sunlight?
Are you saying Mirecki was itching for a fight, since he would not “cower” in his car? Are you saying he is a big tough guy like you Bob?
Bada Bing Bada Boom
And this story corroborates my “Bob did it” theory. It wasn’t in Bob’s neighborhood this time, but he might have had his goons do it.
Award-winning Christmas display destroyed by vandals
Scott and Betty Henderson awoke Wednesday to find their award-winning Christmas light display strewn about their yard. A herd of plastic reindeer had been trampled, a Christmas tree had been knocked over, and there was even evidence that the humbugs had tried to attack a display of St. Nick skating on an ice pond.
Nice, Bob. Real classy.
mabe he just never knew that lieing is wrong
Hi Sean,
Bob would never “cower” to a herd of plastic reindeer.
Even one with a red nose on it.
Bada Bing Bada Boom
Sean, I see you’ve been out camping. You’ll be famous, just like Frank Brady.
news.bbc.co.uk/ 1/hi/world/americas/1514219.stm
Join Sean, as he sings around his campfire:
“Burn, baby, burn. That’s a beautiful thing.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/01/eveningnews/main620626.shtml
Hi Bob,
So glad your Mom let you come back to play with us. Frank looks like he would be your good Liberal buddy. Being from one of those blue states and all. I doubt if he is a Neocon Fundie. He might work for ELF and he was trying to burn down some condos or burn an SUV parked in the forest. I see you used CBS. Did they use fake memos on this report?
Wheatie, you said Malkin dissed Fred Phelps, a man of the cloth. I hope she didn’t call him a religious fundie. An Iowan might feel compelled to stalk her down and pistol whip her if she used those words.
Speaking of Red and Blue States, the Civil War began here in Lawrence a few blocks from my house, 5 years before the war was declared. During the fracas, pro-slavery Federal Troops burned the home of John and Sara Robinson because they were abolitionist Blue Staters.
If things continue as they are, a new Civil War may erupt here. We need to keep Red Staters from poking their noses in our business all of the time.
http://www.kancoll.org/books/robinson/r_chap16.htm
Kansas: Its Interior and Exterior Life
by Sara Robinson
But, when the morning sun arose on the 21st of May, 1856, hordes of men, armed with United States muskets, were marshalled upon Mt. Oread. . . The fair summit of Oread never before witnessed such an assemblage of creatures calling themselves men. . . This is why, on the last week of spring, the morning air freighted with perfume of flowers, and the carol of birds, on Mt. Oread, was mingled with oaths and ribald songs, as it ascended to heaven. Between the hours of eight and nine o’clock a part of this band moved down from Capitol Hill, above our house, nearer the town, upon the table land where the house stood.
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http://www.kansasphototour.com/blackjac.htm
A small memorial park in southeast Douglas County marks the site of the first battle of the American Civil War, the Battle of Blackjack, which took place June 2, 1856.
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P.S. Sean, the photo of the burglary scene in that article that I posted was taken in Old West Lawrence. Ninth Street is the border between the Oread Neighborhood and Old West Lawrence. The first burglary mentioned in that article was in Oread, on my side of 9th street.
As you said, Old West Lawrence does have some outstanding properties, but the Oread Neighborhood is older and it has some spectacular homes too.
If you get a green card to get into Kansas, and I’ll give you a tour of our town.
Not trying to argue, just seeking clarification: The LJW wrote about an Old West Lawrence Fall Homes Tour in 2001, and every home was north of 9th Street. So south of 9th is Oread, and north is OWL?
Yes, Oread is south of Old West Lawrence.
History, architecture appeals to Old West Lawrence leader
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2002/jun/12/history_architecture_appeals/
Official boundaries for the OWL neighborhood are from Sixth to Ninth streets on the north and south and from Tennessee to Michigan streets on the east and west.
A portion of the Old West Lawrence neighborhood was placed on the National Historic Register in 1972.
The historic district consists of about 50 Italianate, Renaissance and other styles of residences built between 1850 and 1899. The historic area is bounded roughly by Tennessee, Eighth, Indiana, and Sixth streets.
Hi Bob,
“Wheatie, you said Malkin dissed Fred Phelps, a man of the cloth. I hope she didn’t call him a religious fundie. An Iowan might feel compelled to stalk her down and pistol whip her if she used those words.”-Bobby
I despise Phelps. Anyway, Fred once ran for Gov. of Kansas in 1990. As a Democrat. Fred is a lifelong Democrat. Ol’ Fred was invited to a couple of those Democratic Presidential Inaugarations. There are some nice pictures floating around of Fred and ALGORE.
Malkin is a keeper. You can have Fred. He supports your side against the troops.
Why did Mirecki leave his vehicle?
Bada Bing Bada Boom
Hi Bob,
I want to apolgize about the comment above about Phelps. Nobody deserves him.
Two quick boring stories.
The first happened 20 years ago. I was remodeling my kitchen and hired a friends neighbor who was having trouble finding a job to help me. One day there was a news item about Pres. Reagan. He let out about 3 curse words. I first was amused. I said I did not know he was a Democrat. He really let me have it. He was one of those far far right, Tim McVeigh types. The Dems and REPS were in it together, Tri-lateral commission, Biltabergars(sp?), one world gov. It was alll a conspiracy. Like Bush and Kerry attending Yale and belonging to the SKULLS group. I had heard of these people but had never met one before. I understood why he could not keep a job. But he was a great woodworker.
Flash forward 10 years. Looking at wheat in Oklahoma near Altus about a month before the OKC bombing. Not many radio stations out in that part of the state. Found a station and caught the last 5 minutes of the Limbaugh show. After his show another show came on. If you would send them $10 to POBox somewhere in OK they would send you a book on how bad Limbaugh was. Again I was amused, Democrats in western ok with a radio show. I quickly found out these were not Democrats but the similar to the person who put in my cabinets. They hated Clinton as much as Limbaugh and claimed they were in cahoots. Talked about Waco and how bad it was. After the bombing I tried to pick up that show again. They were no longer there.
I never bought into the conspiracies about Clinton like Mena and Foster. The far left have these same people. Mikey Moore, its all about Oil.
Again I apoligize. We should all condemn people like Fred Phelps and trying to tie them to other people is just plain wrong.
Please forgive my bad typing.
“I despise Phelps. Anyway, Fred once ran for Gov. of Kansas in 1990. As a Democrat.”
I’m well aware of that, but just because he goes by that label, that doesn’t make him a liberal by any means. He and his circus demonstrate frequently here in Lawrence. He even picketed the dedication to the Dole Institute on campus. It was basically a tribute to WW2 veterans, but Phelps makes everything a gay issue some how.
We haven’t had a good Democratic governor since Docking. Kansas Democrats are out of touch with reality, but Kansas Repubs are just as bad.
I’m a social liberal but a fiscal conservative, and I bet I’m more of a fiscal conservative than you are.
Bush is a spendthrift and a social conservative who doesn’t represent the Republican Party any more than Phelps represents the Democrats. Both are outside their traditional party limits.
“Why did Mirecki leave his vehicle?”
It wasn’t a wise thing to do, but believe it or not, I don’t even bother to lock my doors. Like I’ve said, Lawrence and the immediate surrounding area is basically as safe as being in your mother’s arms.
Most murders and aggravated batteries aren’t perpetrated by strangers, and I believe Mericki’s assailants were strangers.
“He was one of those far far right, Tim McVeigh types.”
First of all, let me thank you for your civil tone, this time around.
You are right, sensationalism has become far too common among politicians and their spokesmen/spokeswomen.
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http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/03/29/profile.mcveigh/
McVeigh enlisted in the Army in Buffalo in May 1988, and went through basic training at Fort Benning, Georgia. After basic training, his unit was transferred to Fort Riley, Kansas, and became part of the Army’s 1st Infantry Division.
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http://rightwingnews.com/interviews/anncoulter.php
“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.” -Ann Coulter
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http://www.jewishjournal.org/archives/archiveSept4_98.htm
According to a recently released NJDC report, two Kansas Republicans have stepped forward to further substantiate claims “that supporters of U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) employed anti-Semitic tactics during his 1996 campaign against Democrat Jill Docking, who is Jewish.” Their statements are recounted in the NJDC report:
“The caller, I think it was a male voice, reminded me to vote for Brownback on election day,” said Nicki Soici, from Wichita, who at the time was a registered Republican. “Then he said, ‘We think it’s important for people to know that Docking is a Jew.’”
Here is a picture tour.
As I said, Old West Lawrence has some great properties, but Oread has some spectacular homes too.
You are probably familiar with these three houses.
The one on the right is the Bell House. Mr Bell was killed by Quantrill’s raiders and the house was partly burned by them. It is immediately south of the Halcyon House, a B&B..
The one in the middle is the Blood mansion. Blood was involved in the Underground Railroad and he became the first mayor of Lawrence. It is on 10th and Tennessee.
The one on the left is probably familiar to most people who have visited Lawrence. It’s located at 16th and Tennessee.
All three are on the east side of the Oread ridge.
http://members.aol.com/xorro5/EastOread.jpg
Here is some info about the Halcyon House at 10th & Ohio Street.
http://www.thehalcyonhouse.com/
Here is a drawing made in 1869. The place where the people are shown standing in the foreground is near the campenile (bell tower), and the basin below them is where the KU stadium is now. The building on the ridge between where the stadium is and downtown is Old North Hall, the first building on KU. Corbin Hall, the freshmen girl’s dorm now occupies that space. They have the best views of anyone in town.
The Robinson house which was burned down in 1856 was at the end of 11th and Ohio Street. Charles Robinson became the first governor of the State of Kansas.
http://members.aol.com/xorro5/1869.jpeg
Here are some pictures that I took at Christmas time on and around our farm, which is where I grew up, 60 miles west of here.
Some people think Kansas is ugly - especially in the winter, but I disagree.
http://members.aol.com/xorro5/terrain.jpg
I want to remind all the readers, that all of the news stories that I posted pertaining to heinous murders, forced slavery, and bodies in barrels found here in Kansas, were all from the year 2005.
Let’s hope Kansas can get a new school board that will keep us out of the news in the future.
Happy New Year, from Lawrence Kansas.
Oh, and Happy New Year from Manhattan Kansas, the “Little Apple” as well.
http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/2132412.html
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Things appear to have returned to normal here in River City. As you can see from this discussion of a Lawrence forum, we are back to being a hotbed of anarchist activity. The latest burning issue, another a tempest in a teapot, is typical here, and we would like to keep it that way.
http://forums.larryville.com/viewtopic.php?t=5274&sid=633c90efd850b4327fb7693dec0d372e
“How do you know the water was not hot enough for the tea bag? Please read original post. It appears the costumer got his hot water as requested.”
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Nevertheless, there is a limit to have far I will go for the sake of civility.
Wheaties said: “Malkin is a keeper. You can have Fred.”
Oh, yes, Malkin is a lovely person.
I look forward to her next tome tentatively titled, IN DEFENSE OF AUSCHWITZ, in which she describes the suffering going on inside Hitler’s bunker. Using the artistic stylings of Aynal Rand, Malkin describes the moment that Hitler and Speers come to the painful conclusion that their architectural wonders will never be. Have plenty of tissues handy.
http://www.ksta.de/html/bildpopup/1109245868354.shtml
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GL13Aa02.html
Steven Spielberg’s next movie tells the touching story of two male Palestinian suicide bombers who fall in love and engage in graphic on-screen sex before detonating themselves at a Natany shopping mall. Tentative title: Blowback Mountain.
So in conclusion, all of the above blogs pertaining to Mericki, religious zealots, right-wing thugs, “intelligent” design, neocon rhetoric, and most of the major problems today, can be summed up in one sentence.
IT’S ALL ABOUT DINOSAURS.
http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz725outcome6.jpg
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/501-600/walk537_Dauntless_Bailey/07.jpg
http://www.sinclairoil.com/images/station3.jpg
At one point, several days ago, this was a conversation about a Prof at KU who was attacked by (evil rednecks, evil co-conspiratorial evolutionists, rednecks in a state of road rage, Greys whose UFO ran out of fuel, whatever) on a lonely country road before dawn one morning when Prof decided to (take a drive, go cruisin’ for a bruisin’, take a drive and have a screaming temper tantrum in the middle of the road thereby blocking it and infuriating a pickup truck full of rednecks). Now the discussion is about dinosaurs.
Here’s something useful from http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2004/03/21/charles_rules_of_argument :
Now, though, I have much less time, and pointless arguments were one of the things that had to go. If I get in an online argument these days, I inevitably just end up annoyed that this thing is taking too long, and that the other party in the argument obviously has all the spare time I don’t have any more.
So over the last few years I’ve come up with an informal set of rules for argument. I’ve never thought of them as such before today: they accreted over time as unconscious heuristics that I am now attempting to put into print. I’m still not perfect in following these rules, but when I do follow them, I end up happier and less frustrated with life than when I don’t.
Rule one is scarily simple. You will never change anyone’s mind on a matter of opinion. Someone going into an argument believing one thing, and coming out the other side not believing it is a freak occurrence ranking somewhere alongside virgin birth and victorious English sporting teams. People change their minds gradually, and if anything a prolonged argument only serves to back someone into a corner, huddling closer to the security blanket of what they believe.
Correcting a factual error is much easier, but never confuse correcting a factual error with changing the opinions that fact was being used to support. The opinion will survive in the absence of the fact, until a new fact is found to justify it. (See also, the many reasons for invading Iraq).
Seeing as arguing is largely pointless, one of the best things to do is to severely limit what you end up arguing about:
1. Never seek out things to disagree with. There are too many of them out there, and correcting the ills of the world just isn’t your job.
2. If you come across something you disagree with while randomly browsing, let it pass without comment (see rule 1). If it’s truly frustrating, write a reply, then delete it without sharing it with anyone else.
3. Even in the limited scope remaining, it is not your job to correct everything you find that you disagree with. Try to limit yourself to things where the subject is at least something that makes some practical difference to your life.
4. Do not argue about politics, religion, or matters of personal taste or comparative morality.
5. DO NOT argue with Lisp programmers, believers in the Semantic Web, or furries.
6. Saying something controversial in your own space (i.e. your weblog) is only arguing if you directly reference somebody you are disagreeing with (or it is clearly understood in subtext who you are disagreing with), and that person is likely to give a shit about what you said.
7. If someone disagrees with something you’ve said, you’re already in an argument. See below.
Once you find yourself in an argument, your job is now to make your point clearly, and then leave. You are allowed two passes:
1. State your case
2. Clarify any misunderstandings
Once you have stated your case, there’s no point re-stating it. Going over the same ground repeatedly will damage your case: nobody likes reading the same interminable debate over and over again. Similarly, if people read what you have to say, understand it, but continue to disagree anyway, there’s nothing more you can do unless you suddenly come up with a totally new argument. The only productive thing you can add is if people clearly don’t understand what you’re saying, and you need to clarify.
There’s a trap here, though. Sometimes, understanding is experiential. For example, to understand religious belief you must at some level ‘experience’ God. Someone without this experience can understand the mechanics of belief, but never understand the belief itself. Besides religion, I also have precisely this problem with RDF: I get into long debates where people try to explain the damn thing to me when I already know the mechanics. I just haven’t experienced that spark of enlightenment that has gone with it for the True Believers.
If you are in one of these arguments, you can clarify ‘misunderstandings’ until you’re blue in the face, but someone who has experienced the belief will not ever be talking on the same wavelength as someone who hasn’t.
After you’ve stated your case and made a single pass at clarifying any misunderstandings people may have about your case, that’s it. Time to leave. Getting the last word is only important in a protracted argument: the longer the argument, the more valuable the last word becomes. Keep the argument short, and it barely matters.
“Rule one is scarily simple. You will never change anyone’s mind on a matter of opinion.”
I know that. That is especially true of Okies. Look at what they are doing now — they’re setting themselves on fire just to gain sympathy.
When I began trolling this site I wrote:
“As you might know, Mirecki’s beating, is related to the “Intelligent Design” debate where Kansas is competing with Alabama and Mississippi for first place in the IDiot race.”
So you see, despite your inability to see the connection, it is all about dinosaurs.
The picture that I posted of our farm shows a shot of the river below our farmhouse.
http://members.aol.com/xorro5/terrain.jpg
That site is on the National Register of Historic Places because of its archaeological significance. It was occupied by Paleoindians and their descendants over centuries beginning as early as 11,000 years ago, but our Kansas School Board says that is impossible because the earth is only half that old.
Our brainy school board says “ID” has nothing to do with religion.
Remember Connie Morris, who claimed the mayor of Garden City was an illegal alien even though he is a third generation US citizen?
I guess that discrepancy in time is due to the speed of light being much faster when the mayor’s grandparents arrived here. That is the argument they use to explain dinosaurs.
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http://www.pitch.com/issues/2005-08-18/news/feature_5.html
In December 2002, Morris sent an e-mail to an anti-immigration group claiming that Garden City’s then-mayor, Tim Cruz, was an illegal alien.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/jun/14/stateboardedmorri/
“In the newsletter, Morris says she is a Christian who believes in the literal depiction of the origin of life contained in Genesis. She said “poor science” insists it has all the answers “with anti-God contempt and arrogance.”
“In short, Darwin’s theory of evolution is biologically, genetically, mathematically, chemically, metaphysically and etc. ‘wildly’ and ‘utterly impossible.’”
She asked her constituents to pray for the conservatives on the board as they fought liberals.
“As we forge every bit of our being for the battles ahead, I humbly ask for your prayers.
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http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/20/2005/1270
Board member Kathy Martin, the out-spoken former teacher from Clay Center, Kansas, minces no words about her agenda or her tenuous grasp of the facts.
Giving an enthusiastic “thumbs up” to the Religious Right when asked if Intelligent Design was a form of Creationism, she commented, “Of course this is a Christian agenda.
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http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:CD_DhdYYWjsJ:www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/05/13/kansas/
Now as then, the driving force behind the creationists is Steve Abrams, a veterinarian, former Kansas gubernatorial candidate, one-time chairman of the state Republican Party, and current chairman of the Board of Education.
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http://www.kcfs.org/KsSciSt1999-2001/Fliers_articles/Standardsissue.html
Abrams himself still publicly admits he is a so-called young-Earth creationist — one who believes Earth is as little as 5,000 years old, based on a reading of the Bible.
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http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/science_vs_the_bible.htm
Abrams also cited a theory that the speed of light was almost infinitely fast in the past, meaning that the light from extremely distant galaxies could have reached Earth quickly and would not be billions of years old.
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/features/3458132.html
At the same time voters in Dover were standing up for common sense, Kansas’ state board of education was voting to adopt standards undermining the teaching of Darwin’s theory. This is the latest step in the state’s long, hard-fought campaign to turn out stupid kids.
So anyway, back to the actual topic. This Mirecki fellow who, if he WEREN’T a liberal, would’ve been fired from his job a long time ago, is acting very suspiciously. The story sounds quite hokey, so if in fact it turns out to be true, it would be a shock to me.
Go ahead and make a note of all of this, moonbats, the guy’s a liar.
I’d be curious to hear some of Mr. Mirecki’s anti-Muslim thoughts as well. I’m sure he’ll be publicizing them real soon.
Oh Good, someone gave me an opportunity to get in another “last word”.
“I’d be curious to hear some of Mr. Mirecki’s anti-Muslim thoughts as well. I’m sure he’ll be publicizing them real soon.”
Ross, It is my understanding that Mirecki is a Catholic, so maybe you can consult the Pope for his views.
The only thing I know about Catholics is — they have some good music and pageantry. Or, at least they used to. I’ve attended Catholic services all over the US purely
for that purpose, but now that they have abandoned Latin, Gregorian Chants, and adopted pop culture, I’m not as interested as I used to be. If I want to witness a hootenanny, I’ll just
go to Branson.
Now get back to the original topic - DINOSAURS!
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Sean, The New York Times said Oklahoma City averages about two grass fires per day, and you averaged three grass fires per day last year, but recently Oklahoma City firefighters fought 35 grass fires within the city limits. What the hell is going on down there? Now is not the time to fire up the barbee.
Just to prove to you that I am not as callous as you neo-conartist are, I apologize for making light of the fires in Oklahoma. They are tragic. I can’t count the number of times I’ve been scorched by grass fires through the years. They can be absolutely scary. They create their own winds and spiraling vortexes which can ascend to great heights.
Again, I didn’t mean to trivialize your tragic fire stories.
I hope this doesn’t come as a shock to those of you who are “young earthers,” but our prairies are man-made — the result of PaleoIndian hunting practices.
Those same herding techniques were still in practice by Indians here until the mid 1840s.
While on the upper Missouri, and later at Cantonment Leavenworth in 1832, Catlin described prairie fires very well. He also painted a few.
http://www.wildnesswithin.com/2000/00-11/prairie.html
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http://americanart.si.edu/collections/exhibits/catlinclassroom/searchdocs/catlinletter26.html
“The prairies burning form some of the most beautiful scenes that are to be witnessed in this country, and also some of the most sublime. Every acre of these vast prairies (being covered for hundreds and hundreds of miles, with a crop of grass, which dies and dries in the fall) burns over during the fall or early in the spring, leaving the ground of a black and doleful colour.”
“Over the elevated lands and prairie bluffs, where the grass is thin and short, the fire slowly creeps with a feeble flame, which one can easily step over; where the wild animals often rest in their lairs until the flames almost burn their noses, when they will reluctantly rise, and leap over it, and trot off amongst the cinders, where the fire has past and left the ground as black as jet.”
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http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/catlin/letter33.html
. . . But there is yet another character of burning prairies, that requires another Letter, and a different pen to describe — the war, or hell of fires! Where the grass is seven or eight feet high, as is often the case for many miles together, on the Missouri bottoms; and the flames are driven forward by the hurricanes, which often sweep over the vast prairies of this denuded country. There are many of these meadows on the Missouri, the Platte, and the Arkansas, of many miles in breadth, which are perfectly level, with a waving grass, so high, that we are obliged to stand erect in our stirrups, in order to look over its waving tops, as we are riding through it. The fire in these, before such a wind, travels at an immense and frightful rate, and often destroys, on their fleetest horses, parties of Indians, who are so unlucky as to be overtaken by it; not that it travels as fast as a horse at full speed, but that the high grass is filled with wild pea-vines and other impediments, which render it necessary for the rider to guide his horse in the zig-zag paths of the deers and buffaloes, retarding his progress, until he is overtaken by the dense column of smoke that is swept before the fire — alarming the horse, which stops and stands terrified and immutable, till the burning grass which is wafted in the wind, falls about him, kindling up in a moment a thousand new fires, which are instantly wrapped in the swelling flood of smoke that is moving on like a black thunder-cloud, rolling on the earth, with its lightning’s glare, and its thunder rumbling as it goes.
http://members.aol.com/xorro5/prairiefire.jpg
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If any of you have driven down I-70 in mid-spring, you have probably seen the force of fire first hand. A vistior from California described her night trip through the Flints Hills as “like driving through Hell”.
At any rate, you Okies, be careful. OK?
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http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/29500/
Perkins said the fire was started by someone using a cutting torch on a nearby farm.
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http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1073002.php/Floods_and_fires_mar_start_of_year_in_US
‘This has been an unprecedented year for fires,’ Finch-Walker said. Fire season in Oklahoma usually begins around Feb. 15 and lasts until April 15, but this past year the fires began in June and have worsened, Finch said.
Fires continued to burn out of control in northern and western Texas, where reports said that the two villages of Ringgold and Kokoma, with combined populations of 125, had been razed to the ground. On Monday 58 new fires were reported to have started.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/01/AR2006010100840.html
Monday, January 2
While firefighters battled that blaze, high winds tossed material from a nearby construction site into power lines, causing the debris to burn before it landed on a nearby nursing home.
“This Mirecki fellow who, if he WEREN’T a liberal, would’ve been fired from his job a long time ago”
Are you beseeching me? I don’t recall ever having been beseeched before. You fundies have such colorful slang.
Make a note of this: It is all about Christianity in the classroom, and no matter how much noise you harpies make, it all comes down to dinosaurs. Are you a diinosaur lover?
You see, the way the Kansas Republicans see it, dinosaur bones were planted on earth by the devil for the purpose of confusing us. Now if you are not a fundie, that might be hard to believe, but that is a claim being made in defense of “intelligent design”.
Mericki’s beating is related to the teaching of “intelligent design”, and to that issue alone — Kansas State School Board member, Connie Morris’ “the battles ahead”
Instead, you think Mirecki pistol whipped himself, blackened his eyes and broke a tooth just to gain sympathy for his cause.
KANSAS BIGOT INVENTS CRAZY ATTACK STORY
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/jun/14/stateboardedmorri/
June 14, 2005
She (Connie Morris) asked her constituents to pray for the conservatives on the board as they fought liberals.
“As we forge every bit of our being for the battles ahead, I humbly ask for your prayers. It’s certain you have plenty for which to beseech the Lord — but if you think of us, please request strength, wisdom and courage on our behalf,” she wrote.
“As you might know, Mirecki’s beating, is related to the “Intelligent Design” debate where Kansas is competing with Alabama and Mississippi for first place in the IDiot race.”
Mirecki’s ALLEGED beating at the hands of some unknown and unidentified, dumbass. You’d make a lousy lawyer.
Oklahoma lawyer: Was the man dead when you examined him
Coroner: Yes
Oklahoma lawyer: Did you check his pulse?
Coroner: No
Oklahoma lawyer: Did you check for signs of breathing?
Coroner: No
Oklahoma lawyer: Is it possible then that he was in fact alive?
Coroner: No
Oklahoma lawyer: Well, since you didn’t check for vital signs how can you be so sure? Isn’t it possible he was still alive? (Ha!)
Coroner: When he came in his brain was in a jar but I suppose he COULD be alive and practicing law in Oklahoma.
Bob, you’re scaring me!
If you really live close to my daughter, maybe I ought to give her a gun from my arsenal (all rednecks have arsenals yannow) in case you can’t control your rage…
Ah, the intolerance of “Bob”! Methinks it’s the pot calling the kettle black.
One thing we do know. You can cut and paste! heh!
wmprof
Hey wmprof! Remember when your father gave the pump shotgun to your daughter? Shure hope she’s become proficient. Bob sounds dangerous. Probably more so to himself and his than ours, eh?
Dad sends…
“If you really live close to my daughter, maybe I ought to give her a gun from my arsenal (all rednecks have arsenals yannow)”
The odds are real good that your daughter does live in my neighborhood. I believe you described her as a dizzy airhead, which gives her anonymity here in Lawrence.
Where have I threatened anyone with my statements as you have threatened me
Threats of violence come from your camp.
I hope you and your buddies have a good time in West Virginia.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/jan2006/20060104_twelve-dead-miners.pdf
God is laughing, mocking and deriding hypocritical fag-infested West Virginia.
Thank God for 12 dead miners.
Thank God for the lightning bolt that caused the explosion that trapped the Sago miners. God killed them and cast them into Hell. WBC will picket their funerals, warning sodomite America that West Virginia symbolizes this Hell-bound nation, and worse and more of it is on the way from God.
wmprof, Do you like my “cut and paste?”
Rumor has it, all communications from Lawrence Kansas are monitored from the KU campus, as a training program for future spooks.
Didn’t you know? Yes, your “idle” threat is now in your dossier.
If you don’t schmooze with Moos, you lose.
Now if your weapon-wielding daughter decides to make a preventative strike against me, keep in mind, I’ll be forced to defend myself. I’m a US Army veteran, which means I have at least 3 hours training in hand to hand combat. I might be a little rusty, but they say it’s just like riding a bicycle — it all comes back to you.
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When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it.
After my experience I have come to hate war.
You can’t have this kind of war. There just aren’t enough bulldozers to scrape the bodies off the streets.
You don’t lead by hitting people over the head-that’s assault, not leadership.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
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http://www.campuscircle.net/review.cfm?r=1259
The spy agency has arranged this conference call so “Lauren,” her middle name, can speak firsthand about the benefits of the Pat Roberts Intelligence Scholarship, named for the U.S. senator from Kansas.
“I’m just beginning my career with the agency,” says Lauren, 20. “I feel honored.
The scholarships come gift-wrapped in secrecy. Unless an agent-to-be wants to go public, nobody outside the national-security sphere or maybe university admissions offices knows who these students are, where they are enrolled or what classes they are taking.
Credit Felix Moos, a University of Kansas anthropologist, with conceiving the program.
Aroused by the intelligence blunders of the 2001 terrorist attacks and Iraq’s elusive weapons of mass destruction, Moos stands celebrated and scorned as champion of the little-known federal initiative – designed, he says, to build a better American spy.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/mar/24/ku_professors_cia/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/31/AR2005123100808_pf.html
At least one of those organizations, the DIA, has used NSA information as the basis for carrying out surveillance of people in the country suspected of posing a threat, according to two sources. . . . Spokesmen for the FBI, the CIA and the director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, declined to comment on the use of NSA data.
Since the revelation last month that President Bush had authorized the NSA to intercept communications inside the United States . . .
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http://www.pitch.com/issues/2005-08-18/news/feature_5.html
In December 2002, Morris sent an e-mail to an anti-immigration group [Emigration Party of Nevada] claiming that Garden City’s then-mayor, Tim Cruz, was an illegal alien.
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http://www.factcheck.org/article126.html
January 12, 2004
And adjusting for inflation, the study found the average hourly wage paid to meatpackers in Iowa fell from $10.75 in 1982 to $5.65 in 1991, a decrease of 47 percent.
One of the book’s editors, Prof. Donald Stull, an anthropologist at the University of Kansas , told FactCheck.org that he disagrees with the ad’s political message but can’t argue with its facts.
“I . . . have studied the meat and poultry industry throughout the United States and Canada since 1987, and the trends are quite clear–and consistent–depressed wages, increased reliance on immigrant workers, strong opposition to unions.”
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African Americans have Clarence Thomas and Condoleeza Rice. There’s a new race traitor on the block, and her name’s Michelle!
http://margaretcho.com/notorious_cho_poster.jpg
http://margaretcho.com/blog/indefenseofmichellemalkin.htm
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January 4, 2006
OKLAHOMA CITY — An executive committee member of the Southern Baptist Convention was arrested on a lewdness charge for propositioning a plainclothes policeman outside a hotel, police said.
Latham, who has spoken out against homosexuality, asked the officer to join him in his hotel room for oral sex. Latham was arrested and his 2005 Mercedes automobile was impounded, Becker said.
Geez Bob have you forgotten your schizophrenia medicine? Johnson and Johnson makes this virtual reality program that makes you think you have schizophrenia and let me tell ya, you think the whole world wants to kill you, so having tried the virtual reality program I think I have a pretty good idea of where you are coming from…you have my sympathies Bob and please get some help, as we all really do care about you (on the other hand though I don’t want to end everyone’s fun…).
Btw, this is the “dizzy airhead” daughter (which my Father never described me as being such, he just mentioned me as not knowing who some person in some media parade was before I was old enough to care) and personally, I think, who cares if some religious professor did or did not make up a story about being beat up? Either way he’s under review at the University, may be responsible for the University losing state funding, and has suffered enough public attention to last anyone a lifetime- you have to kind of feel sorry for the guy!
Something my University education has taught me is that there are crazies on every side of an issue and what educated, thoughtful individuals must do is to examine the truth and form their own opinions, whatever they may be, and to teach others to do the same so that we can have a continuing dialogue that remains intelligent.
“I think, who cares if some religious professor did or did not make up a story about being beat up?”
-daughter of wmprof
You’ve strayed off topic. Get back to intelligent dialogue pertaining to the real issue — Dinosaurs
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:CD_DhdYYWjsJ:www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/05/13/kansas/
Steve Abrams, former Kansas Republican gubernatorial candidate, one-time chairman of the state Republican Party, and current chairman of the Board of Education . . . is a so-called young-Earth creationist — one who believes Earth is as little as 5,000 years old, based on a reading of the Bible.
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http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/20/2005/1270
Ringling Brothers could not rival the hype of the circus of events dubbed “Scopes II”. Led by its three “ring masters” (Kathy Martin, Steve Abrams, and Connie Morris), the Kansas State School Board has once again put the theory of Evolution on trial.
Kansas State School Board will implement the Minority Report, rewrite the definition of science as we now know it, and seriously weaken the standing that Evolution holds in our science classes. 455,000 young minds stand to be corrupted by the introduction of the “junk science” of Intelligent Design” into the classroom.
Next year, our children could be learning that the Earth is only 10,000 years old, and that humans saddled and rode dinosaurs. Both are commonly held beliefs amongst ardent members of the Religious Right.
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http://www.beliefnet.com/story/32/story_3218_1.html
Abrams and two other members . . . even removed almost all mentions of famous scientists and scientific achievements of the past. They included assignments designed to promote creationist views. For example: “Analyze hypotheses about characteristics of and extinction of dinosaurs. Identify the assumptions behind the hypothesis and show the weakness in the reasoning that led to the hypothesis.”
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http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/new_rules/20050513.html
May 13, 2005
REAL TIME WITH BILL MAHER
NEW RULES
It is time now for our final New Rules! Of this season.
New Rule: The next reality show must be called “America’s Stupidest State.” We’ll start at 50, and each week, if your state does something really stupid with, say, evolution or images of the Virgin Mary, you’ll move on to the next round. Now, of course, the final five will always end up being Alabama, Utah, Kansas, Texas and Florida. Sorry, Tennessee.
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http://www.dinosauradventureland.com/index.php?content=fossilization.php&pic=teddybear
The place where Dinosaurs and the Bible Meet!
Hmmm. So ancient hand-to-hand combat training is effective against a pump shotgun. Bob. you are just too, too far out of it, sir. LOL
Hey, grand daughter using her father’s ID: I do remember Tawana Brawley. Check out the Wikipaedia posting on her and the bizarre responses by the “Reverend” Al Sharpton. Our friend “Bob” must have taken unreality lessons from the “Reverend,” eh?
Talkin’ ’bout dinosaurs…
Talkin’ ’bout hoaxes…
‘Nuff said!
Cela suffit !
¡Ése es bastante!
“Talkin’ ’bout dinosaurs . . . I do remember Tawana Brawley.” -45ACP
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September 7, 2005
Lawrence Police are investigating the reported rape of an intoxicated Kansas University student who told police she was assaulted in an alley as she was walking home in east Lawrence.
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“. . . the University losing state funding, and has suffered enough public attention to last anyone a lifetime” -wmprof’s daughter
Don’t get me started writing about corruption at KU.
http://www.kansan.com/stories/2005/sep/30/ethics_priority_school_business/
The David Wittig scandal has become the latest incident in corruption of business ethics.
Wittig, a 1977 graduate of the KU School of Business and former chief executive of Westar Energy Inc., was found guilty of 39 counts from money laundering to conspiracy. Six of eight Westar board of directors who served under Wittig were also KU alumni.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2003/dec/24/investors_lawsuit_hangs/
December 24, 2003
The new year will ring in with no end in sight to a nearly $100 million lawsuit that claims former Kansas University Chancellor Gene Budig was among those responsible for misleading Westar Energy investors.
Also named in the lawsuit is Frank Becker of Lawrence, a past chairman of the Kansas Board of Regents and current chairman of the Kansas University Endowment Association.
Among the allegations is that Budig, Becker and the other directors intentionally failed to disclose a $267,000 short-term bonus given Wittig in February 2002.
Defendants named in the lawsuit include former Westar executives Wittig, Doug Lake, Paul Geist, Carl Koupal, Richard Terrill; former board members John Dicus, Budig and Becker; and current board member John Nettles.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2004/oct/08/delays_resignation_sought/
October 8, 2004
Westar Energy Inc. and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, were linked Thursday in an exploding political scandal revealed by an ethics committee report that provided a detailed view of money, power and politics.
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http://www.evolution-nextstep.com/archives/2005/09/13/lake-and-wittig-guilty/
Topeka — David Wittig, the Kansas University graduate who rocketed to fame on Wall Street and then returned to his roots to lead Westar, surrounded himself at the utility with fellow Jayhawkers.
Westar board directors during Wittig’s tenure included such high-profile KU types as former Chancellor Gene Budig and prominent alumnus Frank Becker.
In the last months of Wittig’s tenure at the utility, six of eight Westar directors had KU ties. In addition to Wittig, Budig and Becker they included John Dicus, John Nettles Jr. and R.A. Edwards.
Wittig, who graduated from KU in 1977 with a business degree, was found guilty Monday of 39 counts of conspiracy, wire fraud, circumventing internal controls and money laundering while running the Topeka-based company.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a8Gb7rp3UHv4&refer=us
Jan. 4 (Bloomberg)
Jack Abramoff’s guilty plea yesterday pushed the federal investigation of the lobbyist deep into the office of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay by implicating one of his top ex-staffers.
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http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/050328/28delay.htm
This isn’t the first time DeLay, 57, has been in hot water. In the late 1970s, when he was still drinking, smoking, and having a good old time as Hot Tub Tom, he ran afoul of the IRS, which placed several liens against his exterminator business. By 1985, DeLay had risen to the U.S. House of Representatives, taking his championship of laissez-faire economics to the national stage. By the next year he was wooing the Conservative Christian vote, having become born again.
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http://www.becking.com/ku_jokes.htm
Q: Why don’t KU grads use 911 in an emergency?
A: Because they can’t find “eleven” on the phone dial.
Q: Why was KU late for so many games last year?
A: Every time they passed a sign that said “Clean Restrooms”, they did.
Q: Why did they have to cancel the Christmas play at KU last year?
A: They couldn’t find 3 wise men and a virgin.
Q: What is the difference between a KU cheerleader and a catfish?
A: One has whiskers and smells, the other is a fish.
Q: Did you hear that KU has found a new use for sheep?
A: Wool.
Q: What do KU cheerleaders and tornadoes have in common?
A: Both end up in trailer parks.
Q: What’s the difference between a KU bar and a circus?
A: The clowns don’t talk at the circus.
Q: How do you keep a KU girl from biting her nails?
A: Make her wear shoes.
Q: Did you hear about the KU athlete that won a Gold Medal in the Olympics?
A: He was so happy, he had it bronzed.
Q: What’s the most useless thing in a KU fan’s house?
A: The KU fan.
Q: How do you run a small business?
A: Start with a large business and put a KU grad in charge.
Q: How do you break a KU grad’s finger?
A: Punch him in the nose.
Q: Why don’t they teach drivers ed and sex ed on the same day in Kansas?
A: They don’t want to wear out the mule.
Q: How many KU students does it take to eat a rabbit?
A: Three. One to eat and the other two to watch for cars.
Q: What’s the difference between a KU cheerleader and a heifer?
A: About 30 pounds.
Q: What does it say on the bottom of Coke bottles in Kansas?
A: Open other end.
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In 1999, the Kansas Board of Education decided to delete the teaching of evolution from the state’s science curriculum.
Locally, journalist Jack Kelly of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (September 19, 1999) wrote that the fossil record does not support evolution.
Nothing could be further removed from the facts. Millions of fossils, found in well-dated sequences of rocks, show evolution of forms through time and show many transitions among species.
To discard this vast body of authentic evidence as not worthy of being taught in Kansas public schools is to deny those youngsters access to a comprehensive understanding of the past. It is also to deny them future job opportunities in the fast-growing medical and biotechnology fields
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http://www.phy.duke.edu/~hartley/rightwatch/080300sci-ks-evolution-edu.html
August 3, 2000
Evolution Foes Dealt a Defeat in Kansas Vote
Voters in Kansas have repudiated the state school board’s removal of human evolution from the state science standards, making it all but certain that the decision will be overturned.
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Dec 3, 2002
Atlanta firm will build $28M biotech plant in Lawrence
Serologicals will apply for tax abatement for the project in late December or January. The minimum abatement amount a company can apply for with the city is 50 percent, she said, but the Lawrence City Commission has the authority to grant full tax abatement for a project for 10 years.
Serologicals also could qualify for about $60,000 in state tax credits for job creation . . .
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http://web.ci.lawrence.ks.us/pipermail/e-agendas/20030123/000019.html
January 28, 2003
Conduct public hearing on request from Serologicals, Inc. for a tax abatement on a planned facility at East Hills Business Park. Receive recommendation from Public Incentives Review Committee.
ACTION: Approve tax abatement request and direct staff to prepare necessary documents.
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http://www.expansionmanagement.com/cmd/articledetail/articleid/15841/default.asp
6/1/2003
One requirement was a proximity to slaughterhouses, because a major component of EX-CYTE is bovine blood. The other was a proximity to a committed life sciences community, where Serologicals would have access to a qualified work force and would be viewed as a partner within the community.
Lawrence, the ultimate winner, responded aggressively to the project, particularly with regards to incentives.
In the end, Serologicals secured a site in a community known for its commitment to life sciences, an annual life sciences scholarship in Serologicals name from the University of Kansas, a property tax abatement of 80 percent over 10 years, a reduced land price, and waived impact fees - all in fast-track, quality-driven time.
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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kansas/kangaroo11.html
Kansas Evolution Hearings
May, 2005
You should help us celebrate our wonderful public education and our terrific colleges and universities across this state. Don’t be unfair to those kids that have worked hard to get into those universities and who will make significant contributions in the future to our health, to science discovery, to the understanding of the world around us.
This harm to our reputation is clear and it will harm our ability to attract bioscience industries to our state. Through the Bioscience Initiative Act the State of Kansas intends to spend $500 million to attract such businesses. A goal made more difficult by the actions of the Board.
And to those individuals who may be considering Kansas as a place to come and establish bioscience technology, we welcome you.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/08/kansas_ranks_last_science/
Kansas ranks last in science
December 8, 2005
Topeka — Kansas has the nation’s worst science standards for public schools, a national education group says, condemning the state for rewriting its definition of science and treating evolution as a flawed theory.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/jan/06/serologicals_sell_lawrence_plant/
January 6, 2006
Serologicals Corp. announced Friday that it would not open its $28 million bio-manufacturing plant in the East Hills Business Park, and instead would prepare the property for sale.
The plant, once hailed as the cornerstone for the city’s life-sciences development efforts, has been idle for nearly a year, after the company laid off 19 of the plant’s 26 employees. The plant was to produce Ex-Cyte, a cell-culture medium used by pharmaceutical companies and others for research and development.
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http://www.kansasbio.org/about/about.htm
KansasBio is a unified voice representing the biosciences in Kansas. Across the human, plant, animal and industrial biosciences, KansasBio is focused on enhancing the business and research climate and working with leaders across the state to attract and retain bioscience talent, companies and funding.
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http://www.lrtc.biz/bioscience_agencies.html
Lawrence Regional Technology Center
The mission of the Kansas Bioscience Authority is to make Kansas the most desirable state in which to conduct, facilitate, support, fund and perform plant, animal and human bioscience research, development and commercialization; to make Kansas a national leader in bioscience;
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http://www.science-spirit.org/article_detail.php?article_id=146
The Kansas School Board’s decision to remove evolution from the state’s curriculum standards has taken the often abstract debate between science and religion to a sudden flashpoint in the ‘real’ world of politics, policy and the everyday lives of ordinary citizens.
By the middle of 19th century, scientists who had expected that their investigations of the world would conform to a plain reading of the Bible were having to reconsider. The standard interpretation of the record of the ages in Scripture was that the world and all its life and landforms were young, created by God only some 6000 years ago; but the record they were uncovering in the rocks indicated that the earth was ancient — thousands upon millions of times older than expected. Philip Henry Gosse, a naturalist, had been troubled by this problem, but thought he had a solution. The answer, he offered, is that God had so designed the world that it gave the appearance of age, like someone who builds a table with a fake finish to make it look like an antique.
After a committee of scientists and science teachers had drafted the curriculum standards for science, Board of Education member Steve Abrams, a veterinarian and former head of the Kansas Republican Party, rewrote these with the help of creationist lobbyists. . . They removed references to the big-bang and the geological time-scale. They diluted seemingly innocuous lines that spoke, for instance, of learning how fossils provided evidence of organisms that lived “long ago,” to the more indefinite “in the past.”
ICR publications tell us that evolutionism was devised by Nimrod and Satan at the Tower of Babel to undermine Christianity, and that all religions except those in the Judeo-Christian tradition are woven of the same dark threads.
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http://home.btclick.com/scimah/obscurantism.htm
From Galileo to Kansas - the Feud between Science and Religion.
During the centuries when the church held political power, numerous other investigators of the natural world were tortured to death or burnt at the stake for their curiosity. The early pioneers of biochemistry and pharmacology paid a heavy price.
In Kansas, where the majority of people believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, popular pressure has resulted in the removal from the school syllabus, not only of evolution, but also anything at all about Darwin, the big bang and even tectonic plates! (Daily Telegraph, July 14th 2000, page 19).
Militant creationism will no doubt become a growing issue as the patriarchal religions continue to turn away from rationalism, and become ever more fanatically fundamentalist.
It’s Fred Phelps!!!! “Bob” is Fred Phelps! In addition to being a clueless unskilful liar (no Army puke would dare have a face-off with a shotgun-wielding opponent without being similarly armed) “Bob” inserts a Fred-quote:
Comment by Bob — Fri 6 Jan 2006 @ 1:18 pm
http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/jan2006/20060104_twelve-dead-miners.pdf
God is laughing, mocking and deriding hypocritical fag-infested West Virginia.
Thank God for 12 dead miners.
Thank God for the lightning bolt that caused the explosion that trapped the Sago miners. God killed them and cast them into Hell. WBC will picket their funerals, warning sodomite America that West Virginia symbolizes this Hell-bound nation, and worse and more of it is on the way from God.
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It’s common knowledge that Fred does what he does to piss other people off, which is exactly what “Bob” is aiming for here iin this forum with his interminable garbage-laden postings. Either that, or he’s some retread Trotskyist IAC Worker’s World Party hack, fresh from a Bob Avakian yawner.
I see you drooling morons are still at it.
You go by the screen-name “Let’s be sensible”? What a joke!
You dimwitted crackpots wouldn’t know a punch line if it bit you in the ass.
“at least three hours of training in hand to hand combat”
Are you saying his holiness Fred Phelps is a charlatan?
How about the BTK killer and your other infamous holymen here in Kansas?
It is difficult to keep track of all you crackpots.
As I said before, you fundies can ride out on the same white dinosaur that you rode in on.
Tell wmprof’s daughter to be sure to campaign for Sen. Kay O’Connor who would like to see her voting rights taken away.
Yeah, sure let’s_be_sensible, I’m the extremist here.
Why don’t you and your crackpot buddies start another thread to discuss the rape victim in East Lawrence. Your can surely spin some good conspiracy theories about her. Isn’t that the purpose of this webpage — to criticize victims of crime? How do your motives differ from those of you buddy Fred Phelps?
And while on the topic of right-wing crackpots — When Connie Morris ran for the State School Board, why did she spread lies to a militant anti-immigrant group from out of our state? You don’t have to be a genius to know the answer to that.
One thing that is perfectly clear, we do need immigration laws, and the first thing we need to do is to stop the flow of refugees from Appalachia who were involved in incest, rape, drugs.
July 27, 2002
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2002/jul/27/evolution_still_issue/
5th District Incumbent I.B. “Sonny” Rundell of Syracuse faces Connie Morris of St. Francis in the GOP primary for this vast western Kansas district. Rundell supports evolution in the standards and has won MAINstream’s endorsement. Morris has been endorsed by the Kansas Republican Assembly. No Democratic challenger awaits the winner.
“We need to have a top-notch science curriculum and we need to keep these yokels out of office. Most people are incredulous that this is still an issue,” Krishtalka said.
Morris . . . recently resigned from teaching because she was going on a national tour to tout her autobiography about her recovery through Jesus Christ from rape, incest, and drug and alcohol abuse. [in App
Getting back to the subject of this post, here’s Jack Cashill’s take on the Mirecki Now Mum.
C’est fini
Hey! Finally determined who “Bob” really is.
Hmm. Cain’t post images here. But here is the uniform resource locator for blue-eyed Bob’s pic.
This may work. If not then see
http://www.tlotr.com/film_pictures/gollum/grin.jpg
Alors !
The brain-trust, 45ACP, posted a story written on December 7, 2005, as if that ignorant twit, Jack Cashill, has any credibility. Let’s hear what that hump is saying now, rather than what he said a month ago.
Let’s face it 45ACP, you’re just pissed off because Mirecki called you a fundie, so you are tying to cover up for the fundies who did your dirty deed.
You sniveling [profanity] sure can howl, shriek, cackle, bitch and moan, but logical thinking is beyond your ability.
Some smart-assed fundies are saying KU should lose its funding because of Mirecki, but they overlook the right-wing corruption at KU. Close KU — that is fine with me. Let’s put the Koch brothers agenda as prescribed by CATO into action and privatize the whole damned institution. I can be just as right-wing as the rest of you on that issue, and I will come out the winner, because I won’t have to pay for wmprof’s daughter’s education. Make him pay private school tuition and keep his grubby paws out of my pocket — the socialist parasite!
Alors ! Apparently we can’t post images here. We can link to ‘em though:
Here is “Bob”.
“Apparently we can’t post images here”
That’s because this webpage was put together by a moron.
It is cumbersome, crappy, and its creator has all the earmarks of someone who can’t make it on the outside — someone on glorified welfare.
Here is how a webpage should look:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule
http://maddox.xmission.com/
If you delicate flowers were offended by the language contained in the links above, you had better not read the following excerpt from George Patton’s speech linked below.
I find it odd that Sean has the crass audacity to libel Mirecki, but he pretends to be civilized by censoring words like [profanity].
http://www.5ad.org/Patton_speech.htm
“We’re not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we’re going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We’re going to murder those lousy Hun [profanity] by the bushel-[profanity]-basket.” -Patton
“here is blue-eyed Bob’s pic.” -45ACP
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As the Kansas fertility rate continues to decline, KU relies more heavily on mouthbreathers from out of state.
This policy is simply inviting out of state terrorist, and it must be stopped!
Out_of_staters now comprise 30% of KU’s enrollment.
Rock Chalk JayHawk without shoes:
http://www.anyonefortee.com/Scoring/Pix/dodo4.jpg
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http://www.earth-policy.org/Indicators/indicator1_data4.htm
Countries below replacement fertility:
Ukraine
Russia
Spain
Japan
Germany
Italy
Romania
Poland
Canada
South Korea
United Kingdom
Taiwan
China
Thailand
France
United States
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http://www.numbersusa.com/overpopulation/decadegraph.html
1900-1910
The Great Wave of Immigration began in 1880 but exploded into peak numbers during the first decade of the century. The massive numbers of immigrants reached a cumulative total that began to substantially change the character of the entire country from one primarily of towns and farms into one of densely packed urban centers.
1970-80
The American fertility rate fell to replacement level in 1972, making it possible for the nation to eventually reach a widely held dream for a stable population.
1990-2000
The dream of a stabilized — or even a stabilizing — population was proven to be nothing but a fairy tale as U.S. population exploded with its biggest growth ever. . . because Congress further increased immigration to a level almost quadruple the traditional level.
Yet another cause of the boom was immigrant fertility. Although American natives maintained a below-replacement-level fertility rate, immigrant fertility was at a similar rate to the U.S. Baby Boom fertility of the 1950s.
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http://www.prcdc.org/summaries/uspopperspec/uspopperspec.html
By 2050, U.S. population is projected to grow to over 403 million people; ethnic and racial minorities will comprise more than 90 percent of those 130 million additional Americans.
http://www.earth-policy.org/Indicators/indicator1.htm
“Bob, you’re scaring me! . . . If you really live close to my daughter, maybe I ought to give her a gun from my arsenal” -wmprof
Oh really wmprof? Well, you annoyed me.
http://news.com.com/2102-1028_3-6022491.html
Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.
Jan 09, 2006
It’s no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.
It’s illegal to annoy
A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you must disclose your identity. Here’s the relevant language.
“Whoever…utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet… without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, .. shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”
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Agency? What agency? The *CIA*?
Jerry: No, no, the–
Sid: Who let you in here?
Jerry: The woman, she–
Sid: Oh *her*. She *steals* from me. Steals my money. She says she doesn’t speak English. My *ass* she doesn’t speak English. Plays
that freakin’ “voo-doo” music, tries to hypnotize me. She thinks she’s gonna turn me into a zombie and then rob me blind. Well, I wasn’t born yesterday. I may drop dead today, but I sure as Hell wasn’t born yesterday. Now get the Hell out of my house…
Jerry: Mr. Fields, I’m here to spend some time with you.
Sid: Oh, really. Are you the boyfriend? I know she’s got a boyfriend.
Are you going to *kill* me? I’m an old man for crying out loud,
you gonna kill an old man, you coward?!? [Jerry gets out card]
Jerry: No, Mr. Field, look, really I’m–
Sid: I can’t read that you fool…
% Jerry is in the pocket and he’s in trouble. Attempting to avoid the sack
% he scrambles and picks another topic to switch to. There are a couple of
% piles of records on top of the TV. Jerry asks about them.
Jerry: What’s all this stuff?
Sid: Trash. Garbage.
Jerry: You’re throwin’ this out??
Sid: I believe that’s what you do with garbage, you idiot.
% You can make out the albums pretty clearly. One is an apparent K-Tel
% “classic”: “22 Explosive Hits”, I don’t know the other one. Anyone?
% I believe “The Beatles” (The White Album) is there also.
Jerry: You don’t want any of this?
Sid: Well if I wanted it I wouldn’t be throwing it away, *Ein-stein*.
Jerry: You know I have some friends who would really like to have these.
Sid: Well, take it. I’m sure as Hell not going to give it to my family.
% They’ve bonded. Just like in all those buddy-cop movies. This seemingly
% non-compatible couple have found common ground. They’ve reached each
% other…
Jerry: Well, do you want to go out for a walk, get a cup of coffee…
Sid: With you? I’d rather be dead.
% Er, maybe not…
Jerry: Well, maybe I’ll get goin’ then. I just remembered I got an
appointment to get my, um, tonsils out.
Sid: Good. Thank God. Good riddance. [pause]
Oh listen, before you go, would you mind changing my diaper? HAA!!
Thanks for the tip, Bob. Do you know if there’s a toll-free hotline where we can report you?
Could “bob” be the infamous Mark Cline? Only the shadow knows…
“Thanks for the tip, Bob. Do you know if there’s a toll-free hotline where we can report you?”
Look here Sean, you [profanity], if you [profanity] think you [profanity]s can intimidate me with your [profanity] [profanity], you have another [profanity] think coming. That goes for that [profanity] [profanity] too.
Now slink back to your [profanity] [profanity]-hole that you and your [profanity] crawled out of.
If I hear another [profanity] word from you [profanity]s, you’ll be hearing from my [profanity] lawyer.
I’ve already notified the [profanity] FBI of your [profanity] activities.
I hated to do it, but it is for your own [profanity] protection.
http://www.terraseetch.com/designa/java/fbeyes.htm
let’s be sensible about all this, you obviously need some help. Try this:
[LINK]
aha! gotcha! the one-man argument generator!
“Twenty-Five Rules of Argument”
1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don’t discuss it — especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it’s not reported, it didn’t happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the ‘How dare you!’ gambit.
3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations.
4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach.
6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer.
7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias.
8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough ‘jargon’ and ‘minutia’ to illustrate you are ‘one who knows’, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man — usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - (a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.)
11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the ‘high road’ and ‘confess’ with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made — but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, ‘just isn’t so.’
12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve.
13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.
14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
16. Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won’t have to address the issue.
17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how ’sensitive they are to criticism.’
19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the ‘play dumb’ rule.
20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations — as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution.
21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion.
22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.
23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.
24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.
25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Try to remember these rules while engaged in debates with trolls It matters more that you do something……and less what it is that you do. Follow your heart and give mind to balancing what seems important from your unique perspective. The bottom line is doing good work and living with mindfulness and compassion….
“24. Silence critics.” -let’s be sensible about all this
Well, finally you’re getting back to our topic, silencing critics.
http://www.sendemback.org/norepeat.jpg
Rather than being elected, State School Board members are appointed by the Governor in most civilized States. Connie Morris is an example of why that is.
Let’s take a look at who our good Christian moralist, antievolutionist, Connie Morris is cozying up to?
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http://milkriverarchive.blogspot.com/2005/08/com-unmasking-of-connie-morris.html
In December 2002, Morris sent an e-mail to an anti-immigration group claiming that Garden City’s then-mayor, Tim Cruz, was an illegal alien.
“It was really like a hate group,” Cruz says of the Emigration Party of Nevada, which included Morris’ statements in a newsletter e-mailed to its members.
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http://www.sendemback.org/
Emigration Party of Nevada [home page]
This Mexican Illegal Alien will never cross the border again.
http://www.sendemback.org/norepeat.jpg
America is being destroyed by a modern version of Ghenghis Khan’s army. This invasion makes the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor look like a pinprick.
Beware of charlatans in the immigration reform movement. . . Don’t waste your time and money on organizations which FAX the Washington D.C. politicians. Those traitors know what’s going on and they don’t care. Congress is in terror of the NRA and the AARP . . .
Remember the Alamo!
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http://www.gctelegram.com/news/2005/august/20/story3.html
by Kursten Phelps
Former Garden City Mayor Tim Cruz announced Friday his plans to run for the 5th District seat on the Kansas State Board of Education in 2006, a seat currently held by Connie Morris, R-St. Francis.
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http://www.kspress.com/img/KPTW0223.pdf
Mark Gnoth has joined the Garden City Telegram staff as circulation director.. . . The Telegram has also Kursten Phelps as education reporter. Originally from Manhattan, Phelps graduated from the University of Kansas with degrees in journalism, Spanish and Latin American studies. She also studied through the University of California in San Diego and is finishing her master’s thesis in Latin American studies and comparative immigration studies.
“Twenty-Five Rules of Argument”
Meets All Kansas Science Standards!
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Posts 197 and 198 are clearly following Rule 17 - Change The Subject. Nyah. Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck.
I lump all you conspiracy theorist involved in this smear campaign together — you are phony hypocritical crackpots. You might strut around the church-yard pretending to be holy, but your behavior here exposes you for what you really are. Even Fred Phelps believes he is a true Christian, just as Hitler thought he was following God’s will, but none of you phony bastards practice what you preach. Even the BTK killer still thinks he has been a good Christian too.
Hot Tub Tom Delay, G.W. Bush and all of the other reformed drunks in the Republican Pary who pretend to be “born again” are delusional, pure and simple.
Sean Gleeson is well on his way to becoming the new Fred Phelps of Christianity.
Over and Out.
Where is Mirecki? Is he rehabilitated? Is there to be a made for TV docudrama wherein he becomes venerated?
What became of his computers and cars and house? Was a custodian appointed to manage his personal affairs? And of his personal affairs, what of his little boy friend? So many questions and no answers. Evolution loves a hero.